2000 MTM S4

I called up APR and MTM (Jo Hoppen Motorsports) to try and figure out what the difference between their Stage 3 and 3+ (APR) kits. I had the APR chip first and then tried the MTM. I was very impressd with the Smooth power of the MTM. It was also more powerful than the APR. I then proceeded to buy the exhaust. Although much more expensive than APR (just over $3000 for MTM chip and exhaust), I was still satisfied. Now I come to the stage three. Both companies offer it. APR gives you the down pipes with both street legal pipes (w/ cats) and racing pipes (very cool!). MTM offers the down pipes w/ cats only. With MTM you also get a fuel pressure regulator. Now I had the question which is better and how much do they cost? APR was very helpful as they useually are. The price $1645 shipped 2day air (I think). I get on the phone with Jo Hoppen Motorsports and the man answering the phone was very abrubt. I felt as if I was talking to a chimp!! (seriously). I explained that I have the chip and exhaust (stage 2), and I wanted to get the cats and down pipes. He got all confused as if I was speaking German (ha ha). It took him a while but finally figured it out. Price $4400. WHAT!?!?!?!? Almost $3000 more than APR. For what? A fuel pressure regulator? I dont think so. I asked him why was there such a difference in prices between the two. He acted as if the steel used to construct it was from a different planet; like it was so much better. He then asked if Ive seen the two side by side. I said no and then asked him. "Well, no." But thats not the point right?! I dont get it. I felt like I was talking to that BMW salesperson that said BMW got first, second, and third at LeMans. Idiot, that was Audi! Finally after a couple of minutes of him blabing, I hung up. What a loser! Trying to justify a $3000 difference just in the type of steel involved in construction. I know APR is very reputable. What I want to know is can I throw their downpipes on my car and have my MTM chip upgraded to think it has the MTM downpipes, or should I just crossover to APR completely? I love my exhaust and chip but I want more power. That conversation with Jo Hoppen Motorsports has left a bad taste in my mouth. Unfortunately that relates directly back to MTM. I emailed Stratmosphere (as there was no phone number I could find on their website)but got no reply back. Is this how MTM wants to be represented in the States? Maybe so. Maybe APR is the answer?!

kcS4

they have anumber on their site, Pete and Bob are excellent, you need to take a deep breath and give them a chance,their customer service is out of this world!

2000 MTM S4

Im sure it is! I havent had a chance to speak with them beacuase I didnt have their #. Thanks.

Jim De Arras

And if you are not used to talking to Germans, it takes some learning to tell when they are REALLY being rude, and just when the german abruptness appears rude.

Another Drew

I thought I got very good service when I bought my catback. I had called them with a question after I installed it. A couple days later, Hoppen called me to follow up to make sure I was happy. I can't recall that kind of service when I bought any other product for my S4.

frank

716-533-1777

triada

The jo hoppen guy may have been new<p>-Cheng
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John CC

d but they are not working ads a non-profit organization. Also, they know their **** about audi's. Besides the fuel regulator, you get a quiter system and replacement hoses with MTM. They might have been short with you, but if you have a problem with their products, they will back you up and get it right

frank

Yeah Jo is the new guy =)

Jim De Arras

From thier WEB site:

Jo Hoppen Motorsports was founded in 1991 when Josef Hoppen retired from his position as Manager of Special Vehicles for Audi of America. In the Sept 27th 1989 issue of National Speed Sport News , Jo Hoppen was named one of the 10 most important people in American Motorsports. He was also said to be responsible for putting Audi and VW on the U.S. Racing Map, as well as boosting Porsche's reputation. Michael Hoppen, with an extensive history in racing as well, including working with Vasek Polak's Trans Am team in 1974, had the first Audi Tuning Shop in America, introducing ABT to this country back in 1982. Here are some accomplishments made by the Hoppen family.

Pioneered One Mark Racing in America, including the Volkswagen Cup, the Camel GT Series, the Robert Bosch/VW Gold Cup, and the Rabbit/Bilstein Cup.

Jo Hoppen is considered the father of Super Vee Racing, another racing series he promoted.

Pioneered Turbocharging in American Racing

Jo Hoppen joined the Factory Porsche Team in Germany in 1957, and in 1958 in brought Porsche into SCCA Racing in America. Particularly the 1960-61 Porsche RSK & RS-60 models.

Joined VW in 1963 until 1968 where he developed VW's racing program in America.

In 1969, With Porsche and Audi under the VW banner, Hoppen was Director of Porsche Motorsports and soon, along with Roger Penske campaigned the Sunoco Porsche + Audi Can Am car. Winning Two Can Am titles in '72 and '73.

While Hoppen was Director of Motorsports, he was partly responsible for such cars in America such as the Porsche Carrera RS, RSR, 934 & 935T's, 962, 914, 914-6, 924, 944 and the first Porsche Indy Car. By 1980, Porsche had more Road Racing victories than all the other competitors combined.

In 1982, Brought over Ur-Quattro's for John Buffum to use in the SCCA Pro Rally series, helping John Buffum become the most succesful U.S. Rally Driver.

1982, Michael Hoppen opens an ABT shop in California and is the first Audi Tuner in America, specializing in Ur-Quattro's.

1985, with Porsche splitting from VW-Audi, Hoppen stayed with Audi, becoming Audi's Manager of Special Vehicles.

At Talledega in 1986, Bobby Unser set IMSA World Speed Records for an All-Wheel Drive Vehicle with a specially prepared Audi 5000 Turbo.

1987, Audi took the Pikes Peak Hill Climb Record in an Audi S2.

1987, After Michael Hoppen and Hurley Haywood take Audi's first Road Racing Victory in America in a 5000TQ, proving that the Quattro system is an advantage in a road race, Audi hits the SCCA Trans Am Series in 1988, and the IMSA GTO Series in 1989 in a 90Q. Deemed "The Unfair Advantage", Audi was forced to leave the IMSA series after "Quattro" was banned.