Problem with driver's window 'guides'. Need help. Tried the search forum to no avail....
02-09-2007, 08:34 PM
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FYI GG is a PITA too. It expands when it dries (reacts with water) so you have to
hold the broken parts together as it cures. I was able to make a shim and use a rubber band to hold it together.
02-09-2007, 08:43 PM
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no, it's crazy chemical reaction that generates heat and helps bond not normally glueable plastics
like delrin, abs, polycarb.
Just test it yourself.
Take a piece of paper. dump some baking soda on it. Saturate with superglue. Obsereve.
Don't snort the offgassing.
Just test it yourself.
Take a piece of paper. dump some baking soda on it. Saturate with superglue. Obsereve.
Don't snort the offgassing.
02-09-2007, 08:52 PM
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This is my right rear window innards...
I have just your problem, I think. It looks like the cable assembly came off the pulleys and got all tangled up in itself. It won't stay on the pullies being that its all tangled up now. It's riveted with a bunch of, I want to say 1/4" rivets. Definate pita!!!
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02-10-2007, 06:22 AM
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Found window regulator w/o motor for $80.22 w/ free ship. Has all the guides, etc.
Best to prob do it right and not get into superglue.<ul><li><a href="http://www.autohausaz.com/">http://www.autohausaz.com/</a</li></ul>
02-10-2007, 06:59 AM
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Doh, mines the right rear so its $120. I'd open up your door skin to make sure thats your prob 1st.
I went out and bought the audi window guides thinking it was those but it wasn't (p# 4b0-837-463-b). These are the ones that are in the tech articles.
These are also for sale!
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118923
These are also for sale!
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118923
02-10-2007, 08:46 AM
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Problem is as expected: cracked, green window guide.
Assuming that's the ONLY problem, but I think that's it. Unfortunately I can't get the window frame bolts loose. It uses a special hex star bit. I loosened them before on my old A4 using a flathead screwdriver, but I can't get these to budge. Anyone know where to get these special bits? I can't get to the regulator assy and those guides w/o getting that frame out. Plus how about those plastic pop rivets. So many places sell the regulators, but don't list the rivets. Guess I'm out of luck for today, but knowing the problem is a big step.
More to follow. I'll try to do a full writeup when done.
OVERALL DOOR INNARDS
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/14677/dsc00158.jpg">
ZOOM IN ON BOTTOM LEFT CORNER
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/14677/dsc00159.jpg">
ZOOM IN ON GREEN GUIDE. You might be able to see the crack at the very top of the guide. The white at the top and bottom of the guide is white lube. The green guide rides up a black rail which is in the shadows and hard to see. With this cracked, it allows the back part of the window to sag a bit when going up causing it to not seat properly when up and possibly bind before getting up.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/14677/dsc00160.jpg">
More to follow. I'll try to do a full writeup when done.
OVERALL DOOR INNARDS
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/14677/dsc00158.jpg">
ZOOM IN ON BOTTOM LEFT CORNER
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/14677/dsc00159.jpg">
ZOOM IN ON GREEN GUIDE. You might be able to see the crack at the very top of the guide. The white at the top and bottom of the guide is white lube. The green guide rides up a black rail which is in the shadows and hard to see. With this cracked, it allows the back part of the window to sag a bit when going up causing it to not seat properly when up and possibly bind before getting up.
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02-10-2007, 10:18 AM
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You have seen the write up haven't you?
Tech Article Title Author Date
Window Guide Replacement Dan Larson 2004
Vehicle worked on: 1999 Audi A6 2.8 quattro.
Disclaimer: This is a basic walkthrough of a repair I did. I am not a licensed mechanic. You may perform this at your own risk. I am not responsible for your mistakes and this is written as a reference guide only.
Difficulty level: Not too difficult, only problems that should be encountered are alignment issues when reinstalling. About as hard as changing the spark plugs on the 30v V6.
Basic problem: Window operates slowly, wants to halt and go back down, etc...
Fix: Replace plastic window guides, lube rails.
Cost: Approx $15.00, 1/2 hr work.
Part no.: 4B0-837-463-B
Tools: Phillips Screwdriver, Torx T15 and T45, allen wrench or small screwdriver.
Procedure:
Pass/rear doors, drivers not tackled yet.
1. I started with the window down.
2. Remove 2 screws that hold door panel in, one in front jamb, one in rear.
3. Pop out the power window switch, there is a small hole in the underside of the door handle that you can put a small screwdriver or allen wrench in and pry from the front of the switch toward the rear of the car and pull up.
4. Disconnect window switch.
5. Pull door panel up and off. not too tough.
6. Disconnect 3 wires near front of panel, 2 for speakers, third for ?? didn't trace them out.
7. Put the door panel in a safe place.
8. Disconnect power lock harness, power mirror, heated mirror, power window harness. 9. Unclip the wiring from the door panel as much as possible.
10. Mark the 4 T-45 bolts and shims. (one in each corner)
11. Remove 4 bolts holding in the inner frame. They may be slightly different, if so make sure to note where each goes.
12. Pull straight up on the frame. the entire assembly comes out including the mirror and upper window/door frame. Then pull it out of the outer door skin.
13. Place the door frame so you can get to the back portion that is hidden when installed.
14. Use a T-15 to remove the 2 screws that hold the window in place.
15. Unclamp the plastic window holders and wiggle them out. Now you can pull your window down and out of the frame.
16. Finally you are ready to remove the components that are giving you trouble.
I found it is easiest to have the window guides in the center of the track, so hook up your switch and put it halfway up. Then rotate the guide toward the outside of the track, then out.
17. Now flip it over and you will see how it attaches to the cable. Disconnect this and it is out. Repeat for other guide.
18. Lube the track and cable with some grease. I prefer White Lithium, it is waterproof and easy to clean up.
19. Install new guides by locking into cable then placing on outer edge of track and rotating into place.
20. Put the window guides back to the bottom, and install the glass. I put the glass in so it lined up as I took it out. Then put it all the way to the top to make sure it went into its proper area.
21. You can now reinstall the inner frame, making sure to use the proper bolts and shims. One has a larger washer on mine than the rest.
22. Reattach all wiring and test the window.
23. Reinstall door panel.
PICTURES:
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door1.jpg
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door2.jpg
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door3.jpg
Window Guide Replacement Dan Larson 2004
Vehicle worked on: 1999 Audi A6 2.8 quattro.
Disclaimer: This is a basic walkthrough of a repair I did. I am not a licensed mechanic. You may perform this at your own risk. I am not responsible for your mistakes and this is written as a reference guide only.
Difficulty level: Not too difficult, only problems that should be encountered are alignment issues when reinstalling. About as hard as changing the spark plugs on the 30v V6.
Basic problem: Window operates slowly, wants to halt and go back down, etc...
Fix: Replace plastic window guides, lube rails.
Cost: Approx $15.00, 1/2 hr work.
Part no.: 4B0-837-463-B
Tools: Phillips Screwdriver, Torx T15 and T45, allen wrench or small screwdriver.
Procedure:
Pass/rear doors, drivers not tackled yet.
1. I started with the window down.
2. Remove 2 screws that hold door panel in, one in front jamb, one in rear.
3. Pop out the power window switch, there is a small hole in the underside of the door handle that you can put a small screwdriver or allen wrench in and pry from the front of the switch toward the rear of the car and pull up.
4. Disconnect window switch.
5. Pull door panel up and off. not too tough.
6. Disconnect 3 wires near front of panel, 2 for speakers, third for ?? didn't trace them out.
7. Put the door panel in a safe place.
8. Disconnect power lock harness, power mirror, heated mirror, power window harness. 9. Unclip the wiring from the door panel as much as possible.
10. Mark the 4 T-45 bolts and shims. (one in each corner)
11. Remove 4 bolts holding in the inner frame. They may be slightly different, if so make sure to note where each goes.
12. Pull straight up on the frame. the entire assembly comes out including the mirror and upper window/door frame. Then pull it out of the outer door skin.
13. Place the door frame so you can get to the back portion that is hidden when installed.
14. Use a T-15 to remove the 2 screws that hold the window in place.
15. Unclamp the plastic window holders and wiggle them out. Now you can pull your window down and out of the frame.
16. Finally you are ready to remove the components that are giving you trouble.
I found it is easiest to have the window guides in the center of the track, so hook up your switch and put it halfway up. Then rotate the guide toward the outside of the track, then out.
17. Now flip it over and you will see how it attaches to the cable. Disconnect this and it is out. Repeat for other guide.
18. Lube the track and cable with some grease. I prefer White Lithium, it is waterproof and easy to clean up.
19. Install new guides by locking into cable then placing on outer edge of track and rotating into place.
20. Put the window guides back to the bottom, and install the glass. I put the glass in so it lined up as I took it out. Then put it all the way to the top to make sure it went into its proper area.
21. You can now reinstall the inner frame, making sure to use the proper bolts and shims. One has a larger washer on mine than the rest.
22. Reattach all wiring and test the window.
23. Reinstall door panel.
PICTURES:
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door1.jpg
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door2.jpg
https://www.audiworld.com/tech/pics/int45-door3.jpg