2020 Audi S6 revealed
04-10-2019, 03:26 PM
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2020 Audi S6 revealed
04-11-2019, 07:45 AM
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Interesting....and the other shoe drops...TDI for ROW explains better why no V8. Too bad for US.
Even though the RS5 motor has more reported torque than the outgoing 4.0T they should have easily been able to push the 4.0T up to at least 500+ in non-RS guise. oh well
Even though the RS5 motor has more reported torque than the outgoing 4.0T they should have easily been able to push the 4.0T up to at least 500+ in non-RS guise. oh well
04-11-2019, 08:26 AM
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It does look quite good. Certainly no surprise on the gasoline engined version. The handling, ride and steering should be a big step up from the C7. Performance should be better - less weight over front axle, same power, more torque, but feel will be different given engine / transmission types.
But the wheels have fallen off in Europe. The diesel engine offers no performance advantage over the previous C7 A6 3.0 TDI bi-turbo (Competition edition), yet is substantially more expensive than that model. More expensive than the previous C7 S6 with the V8, which had significantly better performance. The 0-100km/h figure for the diesel S6 is 5.0 seconds, versus 5.1 seconds for the A6 55 with the 3.0TFSI engine. Ridiculous decision making.
And the SQ5, and impending S4 and S5, is using the same diesel engine as the S6, although not sure how the electric compressor works across the model range. It appears it is not just for applying boost below the turbocharger, but at any engine speed (for limited duration) so may have impressive throttle response. For a diesel. But the new diesel SQ5 is rated as faster than the new diesel S6. Insane decision making.
On the major German forums, this decision by Audi has been received with horror and disdain. But then BMW have already withdrawn the M550i xDrive from Europe - only the quadruple turbocharged M550d xDrive remains. Leaving Mercedes the only manufacturer with a gasoline engine in this class with the AMG E53. Both the diesel BMW and Mercedes have more performance, considerably more performance. Whilst VAG will want their customers to buy a Porsche Panamera 4S with the Audi 2.9L TT engine instead (Porsche are now not using any diesel engines), not too many in Europe are going to do that.
They are all struggling to meet the EU fleet average CO2 targets that start in 2020. Much tougher than CAFE in the US.
But the wheels have fallen off in Europe. The diesel engine offers no performance advantage over the previous C7 A6 3.0 TDI bi-turbo (Competition edition), yet is substantially more expensive than that model. More expensive than the previous C7 S6 with the V8, which had significantly better performance. The 0-100km/h figure for the diesel S6 is 5.0 seconds, versus 5.1 seconds for the A6 55 with the 3.0TFSI engine. Ridiculous decision making.
And the SQ5, and impending S4 and S5, is using the same diesel engine as the S6, although not sure how the electric compressor works across the model range. It appears it is not just for applying boost below the turbocharger, but at any engine speed (for limited duration) so may have impressive throttle response. For a diesel. But the new diesel SQ5 is rated as faster than the new diesel S6. Insane decision making.
On the major German forums, this decision by Audi has been received with horror and disdain. But then BMW have already withdrawn the M550i xDrive from Europe - only the quadruple turbocharged M550d xDrive remains. Leaving Mercedes the only manufacturer with a gasoline engine in this class with the AMG E53. Both the diesel BMW and Mercedes have more performance, considerably more performance. Whilst VAG will want their customers to buy a Porsche Panamera 4S with the Audi 2.9L TT engine instead (Porsche are now not using any diesel engines), not too many in Europe are going to do that.
They are all struggling to meet the EU fleet average CO2 targets that start in 2020. Much tougher than CAFE in the US.
04-11-2019, 10:08 PM
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It does look quite good. Certainly no surprise on the gasoline engined version. The handling, ride and steering should be a big step up from the C7. Performance should be better - less weight over front axle, same power, more torque, but feel will be different given engine / transmission types.
But the wheels have fallen off in Europe. The diesel engine offers no performance advantage over the previous C7 A6 3.0 TDI bi-turbo (Competition edition), yet is substantially more expensive than that model. More expensive than the previous C7 S6 with the V8, which had significantly better performance. The 0-100km/h figure for the diesel S6 is 5.0 seconds, versus 5.1 seconds for the A6 55 with the 3.0TFSI engine. Ridiculous decision making.
And the SQ5, and impending S4 and S5, is using the same diesel engine as the S6, although not sure how the electric compressor works across the model range. It appears it is not just for applying boost below the turbocharger, but at any engine speed (for limited duration) so may have impressive throttle response. For a diesel. But the new diesel SQ5 is rated as faster than the new diesel S6. Insane decision making.
On the major German forums, this decision by Audi has been received with horror and disdain. But then BMW have already withdrawn the M550i xDrive from Europe - only the quadruple turbocharged M550d xDrive remains. Leaving Mercedes the only manufacturer with a gasoline engine in this class with the AMG E53. Both the diesel BMW and Mercedes have more performance, considerably more performance. Whilst VAG will want their customers to buy a Porsche Panamera 4S with the Audi 2.9L TT engine instead (Porsche are now not using any diesel engines), not too many in Europe are going to do that.
They are all struggling to meet the EU fleet average CO2 targets that start in 2020. Much tougher than CAFE in the US.
But the wheels have fallen off in Europe. The diesel engine offers no performance advantage over the previous C7 A6 3.0 TDI bi-turbo (Competition edition), yet is substantially more expensive than that model. More expensive than the previous C7 S6 with the V8, which had significantly better performance. The 0-100km/h figure for the diesel S6 is 5.0 seconds, versus 5.1 seconds for the A6 55 with the 3.0TFSI engine. Ridiculous decision making.
And the SQ5, and impending S4 and S5, is using the same diesel engine as the S6, although not sure how the electric compressor works across the model range. It appears it is not just for applying boost below the turbocharger, but at any engine speed (for limited duration) so may have impressive throttle response. For a diesel. But the new diesel SQ5 is rated as faster than the new diesel S6. Insane decision making.
On the major German forums, this decision by Audi has been received with horror and disdain. But then BMW have already withdrawn the M550i xDrive from Europe - only the quadruple turbocharged M550d xDrive remains. Leaving Mercedes the only manufacturer with a gasoline engine in this class with the AMG E53. Both the diesel BMW and Mercedes have more performance, considerably more performance. Whilst VAG will want their customers to buy a Porsche Panamera 4S with the Audi 2.9L TT engine instead (Porsche are now not using any diesel engines), not too many in Europe are going to do that.
They are all struggling to meet the EU fleet average CO2 targets that start in 2020. Much tougher than CAFE in the US.
Last edited by superswiss; 04-11-2019 at 10:13 PM.
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04-12-2019, 05:33 AM
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I was taken aback reading the announcements today about the S6 and S7 going TDI in Europe. Even the USA gasoline version is baffling. Same engine as the RS5. So now S models share engines with RS models. Not sure what to make of that, but it confirms to me that the brand is kinda done for me for now. Seems like we are clearly witnessing the beginning of the end for ICE cars coming out of Germany.
