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Tedrohedro 04-03-2018 10:22 AM

How is the 3.0 TDI? I would like to hear from some high mileage people
 
hello all- I’m thinking of buying an A8 with the 3.0 TDI engine. I would like to know how is this engine.
Problems? How is it lasting.?

anyone have a few hundred thousand miles?

this would be my first diesel car- I have and do own a diesel truck- and as American diesel trucks go- there are good diesels and there are terrible ones that will bankrupt you....

any feedback helps
thanks
ted

Jayhawk94 04-04-2018 07:23 AM

As a potential future diesel truck buyer (now that all the SUV manufacturers are leaving the US diesel market) which engines are typically bulletproof and which cause all the brain and wallet damage?

Tedrohedro 04-04-2018 11:03 AM

Are you talking SUVs?
hands down the ford excursion 7.3L diesel - bullet proof. Now incredibly hard to find in great condition w low miles- last year production was early 2003- when you do find one- very expensive.
one of the worst Diesel engines was fords 6.0 diesel. However if u spend the money - 10K and know an excellent diesel mechanic- they can “bulletproof” the 6.0- after that is done- it’s good for 500k miles- and usually guarenteed for life or 500K miles by the mechanic.
Dont know any suv that Chevy put their diesel in. As far as the Chevy truck diesel- they had some bad years- 03-06- injector problems- every 50k miles or less had to be changed- like 5 grand in work.

cummings diesel in the dodge- one of the best- practically bulletproof- however i don’t know of any SUV dodge put it in. Also w dodge- the Cummings is great but the body and interior fall apart long before the engine quits.

hey so back to my question... do u have an Audi 3.0 TDI- what are their issues?


Jayhawk94 04-05-2018 07:44 AM

I figure that I’ll never be able to get another late model diesel SUV ever again and have resigned myself to buying a truck if I want to stick with a diesel in the future. Happy to hear that Cummings is good across the board - my first vehicle was a really old Dodge (slant 6, three on the tree). The cool thing about diesels is that there are folks who keep them a long time and know which ones last. Does Ford even make the 7.3L anymore?

As for the VW group 3.0L TDI, I asked around before buying my 2013 which I’ve had for about two years now. It’s still low mileage for a diesel, about 65k. I had to get a quick emissions/particulate test when I first bought it. Part of it was placing under load for the test. That particular facility also did dyno testing and it was still putting down about 240hp/400lb-ft which are the original power specs IIRC. Nonetheless my local private shop said they’ve never had to tear down the 3.0 engine or replace the turbos.

I did hear repeated admonitions from various sources to religiously change the fuel filter every 20k. The high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) will rarely grenade and trash the entire fuel system. The prolongation of warranty coverage on that alone has induced me to get the diesel fix in the near future. I was also advised to change the oil every 5k as well. Is that excessive? It seems that way with synthetic oil but perhaps cheap insurance on an engine I’d like to keep for most of a decade. I’d extended my gas engine oil changes to 5-10k with synthetic oil in the past with some high mileage gas engines that lasted a long time on that schedule (84 Honda 1.8L?, a 2000 Saab 2.0L and a 2005 Audi allroad 2.7T). I’m new to diesels myself though so am not sure about oil change intervals as compared to gassers. That’s about it for specific caveats that I’ve been able to glean from my fairly comprehensive review of the TDI threads here and a couple other VW forums.

Tedrohedro 04-05-2018 11:29 AM

@jayhawk
 
thabks for the reply.
to answer your question- no, last year for the 7.3L was first half of 2003. If I didn’t want to spend a lot of money and buy a new truck- I would prob buy a ford w the 6.0 that has been bulletproofed by a reputable shop that gave great warranty.

question for you... what State do u live in?

thanks for th info on your 3.0. What year is your vehicle?
can u tell me what is this “update” for the VW/ Audi Diesel engines? This was from the government lawsuit/ issue w emissions?
What does this repair do? (Computer fix)

im thinking if a dealer is offering a diesel forsale, then the repair must have been done already? I assume it was mandated for the fix.

Thanks
ted

HBarlow 04-30-2018 01:22 PM

In answer to the OP's original question my Audi 3.0 TDI is a great engine but only has 28,000 miles on the odometer so I can't answer questions about high mileage. Before the Audi I had a VW 2.0 TDI with about 120k miles which was perfect.

I'm a fan of diesel power. My Dodge Ram has 208k miles. The previous had 230k on it and before that, I put 325k on an '01. There is no substitute for Cummins power in light trucks.

Nate Vr6 05-28-2018 09:52 AM

I had a 2011 Touraeg with 170,000 mile TDI. Never once had an issue with it. Turned it in due to diesel gate. Now I have a 2014 Q7 with 146,000 miles. Couldn't be more happy to have a family hauler which averages 30mpg on road trips loaded up.

SoCalBuff 09-02-2018 01:54 PM

2014 Q5 TDI, 137k miles
 
no issues. Just regular oil change and maintenance. Drives like a champ. Lost about 1 mpg after the diesel repair. Still averaging 30 mpg blended driving

motoguy128 09-07-2018 06:49 AM

Just picked up a CPO with 38k on it. Had no issues in the repair history other than the emission fix.

32-35mpg on my recent highway trip. Still got 33 going 75-80mph for a long stretch. Was seeing 45+ when going 50-55mph on 2 lane roads. When you need power you have it in spades!

tisi_03 09-16-2018 11:40 AM

2015 Q5 P+ with 92K miles. Not a single problem and no emissions fix yet. Change oil at 5K, fuel filter at 20K, air filter at 30K and use a diesel additive every 600mi for cetane and lubricity.

Morgali 01-29-2019 10:41 AM

I have one 80k miles, so far so good.

To the point of SUVs with diesels... 3rd party makers will do some for you. There's one site called duraburb that will repower any Tahoe or suburban for you with a Chevy Duramax diesel, and even tune to your specs, fuel economy or torque or hp, etc. They also upgrade the chassis to support heavier suspensions, axles, etc. I'm sure they aren't the only ones doing it.

GP_RZ 03-05-2019 04:59 PM

I just picked up a 2016 Q5 TDI with 29,129km and runs like a dream, seems to take a bit to warm up in -30c temps.

KevinGary 03-06-2019 04:19 AM

I am at 88k miles and it has been bulletproof so far.

lastone 03-24-2019 08:07 AM

We are approaching 6k kms on our Q7 TDI, so not able to offer any direct experience with the 3.0 litre. HOWEVER: EVERYONE in Yurp sells a 3.0 litre something diesel in cars, SUVs, vans and trucks. I have heard very few if any negative comments from that side of the pond. But from this thread, stuff under 100k miles in the diesel world is barely run in, never mind nearing run out. We took our last two Jetta MkIIs off of the road at 620k and 650k due to rust, engines still strong. Our MkIV has 360k + on a tuned engine and I will bump power some more and do general tidy up of suspension bushings, steering rack, etc. before setting sail for then next 10 or so years. I am curious about the 3.0 in this market, as new to me, and as I am finding, no where near the enthusiast community that is there for the 1.9 and 2.0 engines to provide feedback. BTW: to put things into perspective: I just rebuilt my DDEC II Detroit - first time ANYTHING was opened up in the entire driveline - it has 1.7 million kms on it. Wish our little engines were built that way.

Regarding the previous comments about the 7.3: Ford did not build it, Navistar (IHC) did. It was the DT444E by them and it had a few small problems (mostly cavitation damage due to not enough SCA in coolant), but it had HUGE problems when Ford installed their version of a fuel system. Fortunately, due to the work a few people in the early 2000s, you can buy retrofit parts to eliminate the cackle and knock issues (essentially, #8 has a different injector installed to try to correct issues from the idiotic Ford fuel system that caused #8 to fire before TDC at certain revs) but when you put things back to ordinary diesel way of doing things, it becomes a reasonable engine - if you don't work it hard. It is a cast block with no liners, and it really doesn't last that well. Of course, if you do get cavitation damage, the block is toast. BTW: dumping the Ford junk in the fuel system also gives it near D-Max and Cummins economy...near, but not quite. Also, they are very limited in how much power you can make without serious structural work.

With reference to diesel SUVs: Suburbans had 6.2 and 6.5, later 6.5 TDs up to '99. Old tech engines, but actually can be quite reliable and only weak spot is cracking of main bearing webs in some earlier engines. 480LE gearbox totally indestructible. Truck is getting hard to support (transfer case mostly) but cheap and a bit crude. Ford of course did Excursion that started when GM dropped the 6.5. It was 7.3 fronm '99 to mid '03 and finsihed its run '05 with the infamous 6.0. BUT: once more when you turn to the aftermarket to fix Ford and Navistar's screwups, you can actually make a 6.0 a fairly reliable engine - and the trucks are fairly easy to find cheap. Of course, we got Jeeps with 3.0 Mercs (not a great engine) and later 2.8, 3.0 and 3.1 VM engines. The 2.8 was reliable, the 3.0 and 3.1 have not been so good. M-B sold us a couple of their SUVs with their 3.0 - not bad, not perfect, widely available and sadly the long discontinued R class (essentially a stretched Dodge). BMTrouble-you did their excellent engine in the X5. Everywhere else on the planet, you can (or could) get any SUV with a diesel. Let's not forget that GM will sell you a 1.6 diesel Equinox today. So, we are not without choices. Just wish VAG had continued instead of killing the whole market with Dieselgate.

BTW: a possible bright spot: There is a Ford F150 running around with an opposed piston 2.7 litre diesel that will knock everyone out of the ballpark for efficiency. If it goes to production, expect it to show up in an Expedition. If that happens, after year one is done, our Q7 could be history,

AMDG75 03-24-2019 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by lastone (Post 25293619)
......Just wish VAG had continued instead of killing the whole market with Dieselgate...

Couldn't agree more! These are incredible engines and, furthermore VAG killed the chance for what you can get in ROW : diesel hybrids - best of both worlds. Nothing beats diesel on highway and, electric for zipping around the city. More importantly, hybrids of this type would be practical for families with kids out of town or still with kids playing travel sports. The one-size-fits-all mentality pushed by some [i.e. all electric (just a long tailpipe) when infrastructure lacking] makes me nuts.
'

KevinGary 03-24-2019 10:28 AM

It is a real shame how VAG handled the entire situation from beginning to end.

1stGOAT 03-27-2019 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Jayhawk94 (Post 25134331)
I asked around before buying my 2013 which I’ve had for about two years now...........
............................The prolongation of warranty coverage on that alone has induced me to get the diesel fix in the near future.

This stuck out in your post. If the fix has NOT been done, you have some serious money waiting for you. When settlement came out there was not a fix for the 3.0 so owners could get 50% of the settlement and the final 50% once the fix was available and applied. So IF, the fix has not been completed you would have at least 50% coming to you (actual amount varies by car and specifics of that car).

I bought my 2014 A8 3.0TDI and the previous owner never made a claim at all. I got the full amount which was more than 11,000 dollars.

1stGOAT 03-27-2019 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by AMDG75 (Post 25293677)
Couldn't agree more! These are incredible engines and, furthermore VAG killed the chance for what you can get in ROW : diesel hybrids - best of both worlds. Nothing beats diesel on highway and, electric for zipping around the city. More importantly, hybrids of this type would be practical for families with kids out of town or still with kids playing travel sports. The one-size-fits-all mentality pushed by some [i.e. all electric (just a long tailpipe) when infrastructure lacking] makes me nuts.
'

Audi is not giving up the ghost on diesel, I think diesel just needs to get over what was a man made legal issue.

Audis new Euro only for now SQ5 diesel 3.0 is a diesel putting out 342 hp and 516 lb.-ft !!!!!

Link to article

This A8 is my first diesel and it is wonderful. You get small economy car mileage in a luxury sedan. My previous A8 was a 4.2 and love this diesel motor so much more. I could go about 340 miles of combined driving on a tank vs about 600+ miles on the same sized tank of diesel. And with the Malone tune it is actually faster than my 4.2.

HBarlow 03-27-2019 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by 1stGOAT (Post 25295084)
Audi is not giving up the ghost on diesel, I think diesel just needs to get over what was a man made legal issue.

Audis new Euro only for now SQ5 diesel 3.0 is a diesel putting out 342 hp and 516 lb.-ft !!!!!

Link to article

This A8 is my first diesel and it is wonderful. You get small economy car mileage in a luxury sedan. My previous A8 was a 4.2 and love this diesel motor so much more. I could go about 340 miles of combined driving on a tank vs about 600+ miles on the same sized tank of diesel. And with the Malone tune it is actually faster than my 4.2.

Well said. I compltely agree.

The VWAG turbo-diesels were and are excellent engines. The exhaust emission issue was primarily political, greatly exaggerated by the true believers.

I'm pleased to see that VWAG has reintroduced diesel power in the Eureopan model you mentioned.

AMDG75 03-27-2019 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by HBarlow (Post 25295251)
Well said. I compltely agree.

The VWAG turbo-diesels were and are excellent engines. The exhaust emission issue was primarily political, greatly exaggerated by the true believers.

I'm pleased to see that VWAG has reintroduced diesel power in the Eureopan model you mentioned.

Agree, however I would be far more pleased if the new turbo diesel hybrids would show up in the US.....this quote from the linked article is very displeasing "Germany’s diesel resurgence continues with the help of emission-reducing mild-hybrid functions. But don't expect to see the SQ5 TDI in U.S. showrooms". ARRRGGGGGHHHHH

KevinGary 03-28-2019 02:48 AM

I am afraid that the TDi will never return to the US.

HBarlow 03-28-2019 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by KevinGary (Post 25295425)
I am afraid that the TDi will never return to the US.

The decision to permit import and certification of VWAG vehicles with TDI engines will indirectly depend on us and the elected officials we choose.

Thinkmoto 05-22-2019 04:28 AM

I bought a used A6 TDi 3.0 with 148k on it. Currently at 153k after a few months, I'm averaging around 38-40mpg daily. I love my car, it's nicer then my wifes S5.

As for diesel trucks yes the old 7.3 powersmokes are good, but hard on oil. Stay away from the newer stuff from Ferd. Cummins 12v and 24v 5.9 motors are bulletproof for the most part. I've had 3 Gm duramax trucks in the past LB7, LLy, LBZ motors. The early LB7 was my favorite, the LBZ had the better 6 speed allison transmission though. I currently have a 2015 Ram ecodiesel and its fantastic, I've seen up to 27.7 mpg on long family trips along the mississippi. Great little motor that does the job, but lacks the omph the Audi 3.0TDI has when you put your foot down.

Devovino 10-06-2019 07:30 PM

TDI
 

Originally Posted by Tedrohedro (Post 25133919)

Are you talking SUVs?
hands down the ford excursion 7.3L diesel - bullet proof. Now incredibly hard to find in great condition w low miles- last year production was early 2003- when you do find one- very expensive.
one of the worst Diesel engines was fords 6.0 diesel. However if u spend the money - 10K and know an excellent diesel mechanic- they can “bulletproof” the 6.0- after that is done- it’s good for 500k miles- and usually guarenteed for life or 500K miles by the mechanic.
Dont know any suv that Chevy put their diesel in. As far as the Chevy truck diesel- they had some bad years- 03-06- injector problems- every 50k miles or less had to be changed- like 5 grand in work.

cummings diesel in the dodge- one of the best- practically bulletproof- however i don’t know of any SUV dodge put it in. Also w dodge- the Cummings is great but the body and interior fall apart long before the engine quits.

hey so back to my question... do u have an Audi 3.0 TDI- what are their issues?

I came here looking for information on buying a Q7 TDI after the whole scandal thing happened, there now seems to be some great deals out there in these fantastic cars!

For starters, I currently have a 2002 Ford Excursion limited w/ 7.3L and I love it, probably never get rid of it, well I can’t say never but... bought it 5 years ago just over 100k miles, I looked for over a year and had many purchased from under neath me before I could even get out to look at it. Been a great truck, tows everything I have and is a fairly rare unit, now has 160k trouble free miles.

I currently daily drive my A6 Avant Quattro 3.0 gasser and also been a great car, has 223k miles and I told myself I should just drive the wheels off it but I really like these Q7 TDI units and have seen a lot local to me, thinking I would like to take the leap. Been reading through the forums to gather as much info I can before I do so, wealth of knowledge here.

Ashlee Adream 08-17-2020 08:27 PM

Just bought an 2014 A6 TDI with 192,000 miles. Added another 5000 with no problems. Planning to pass the 300k.
Let's see if I can make it. No major issues on record.

Thinkmoto 08-18-2020 03:01 AM

177000 and counting. I had the recall performed for the revised dog,o2 sensor and tuning over winter. I’ve been averaging around 42mpg now in the warmer months. Seems to be slowly getting better yet. Outside of my transmission being herky jerky when it’s cold I have zero complaints.

bpp 08-18-2020 03:33 AM

Exactly.
 

Originally Posted by KevinGary (Post 25293691)
It is a real shame how VAG handled the entire situation from beginning to end.

I have 81k miles on my from new '14 Q5 TDI and the fixes are complete. I had one issue at about 41K when the inline fuel pump made allot of noise and was replaced warranty. About 20K miles ago, I drove from the east coast to Sparks, NV, 6,300+ miles and back home, a truly memorable trip with the Q5 performing flawlessly and 40 mpg. Someday I want a new car before my time runs out and at 75+ the actuarials say the clocks ticking BUT....I love this car and even with some insane dealer offers, it will stay in my possession with the "other" machine if I get it. The 440 lb-ft of the Q5 TDI torque is intoxicating and is not replaceable when you press on the go-fast pedal. ;)

KORABLEW45 09-05-2020 05:07 AM

Привет и России. Катаю 5 лет А6С7 3.0 дизель. 147 000 км. тяга отлично. работает от -40 до +48 градусов без проблем.
нужно следить за чистотой радиаторов охлаждения двигателя и коробкой это важно. !!! тогда не будет проблемм.
в топливо всегда добавляю присадку ликви молли дизель и все чисто в системе топлива.
делал ремонт коробкиDSG7 замена электронных плат управления клапанами
купил шнурок VCDS и сам теперь смотрю ошибки или делаю настройки в машине так как мне нужно
вот мой профиль https://www.drive2.ru/users/korablew45/
удачи на дорогах);)

jwj5190 02-20-2021 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Tedrohedro (Post 25133417)
hello all- I’m thinking of buying an A8 with the 3.0 TDI engine. I would like to know how is this engine.
Problems? How is it lasting.?

anyone have a few hundred thousand miles?

this would be my first diesel car- I have and do own a diesel truck- and as American diesel trucks go- there are good diesels and there are terrible ones that will bankrupt you....

any feedback helps
thanks
ted

I have a 2014 Audi A6 3.0 TDI with over 117,000. It has been pretty much bullet proof and runs great. I get 42 mpg on the flat hwys here in Florida and run a plug and play software that increased my HP from 240 to 283 and trq from 428 to 515.
I also have an 05 3.2 A6 Gas with 244,000 miles. Runs great also. Leaks a little oil but doesn't burn any.

lastone 02-21-2021 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by HBarlow (Post 25295475)
The decision to permit import and certification of VWAG vehicles with TDI engines will indirectly depend on us and the elected officials we choose.

A climate scientist friend sent me a bunch of information about both National Academy of Sciences and a US Senate committee that took testimony ONLY from actual scientists with appropriate credentials.
https://www.nationalacademies.org/ne...uction-and-use

Their conclusion adds up to revealing the MOST environmentally damaging prime mover available at that time (2009) was...wait for it... Battery Electric vehicles - due to the tremendous ecological damage from battery manufacturing (for of course Li ion)
The LEAST damaging was 100% bio diesel, followed by B10 ULSD as we almost all use today.

With such simple and obvious information clearly available and in hands of US legislators, it is time we as citizens of Europe and North America challenge the morons within government who wish to bankrupt our grandchildren by raiding their debt obligations to hand out billion$$ in subsidy money to promote EVs.

1stGOAT 02-21-2021 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by lastone (Post 25555463)
A climate scientist friend sent me a bunch of information about both National Academy of Sciences and a US Senate committee that took testimony ONLY from actual scientists with appropriate credentials.
https://www.nationalacademies.org/ne...uction-and-use

Their conclusion adds up to revealing the MOST environmentally damaging prime mover available at that time (2009) was...wait for it... Battery Electric vehicles - due to the tremendous ecological damage from battery manufacturing (for of course Li ion)
The LEAST damaging was 100% bio diesel, followed by B10 ULSD as we almost all use today.

With such simple and obvious information clearly available and in hands of US legislators, it is time we as citizens of Europe and North America challenge the morons within government who wish to bankrupt our grandchildren by raiding their debt obligations to hand out billion$$ in subsidy money to promote EVs.


That study was published about 12 years ago with data going further back than that. Much has changed since then and continues to evolve. My point being that what was once assumed based on the known technology of that time is evolving not static. If you are truly interested in the subject look for newer studies and more than just one source before deciding to bet everything on it.

Motivology 03-02-2021 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by jwj5190 (Post 25555162)
I have a 2014 Audi A6 3.0 TDI with over 117,000. It has been pretty much bullet proof and runs great. I get 42 mpg on the flat hwys here in Florida and run a plug and play software that increased my HP from 240 to 283 and trq from 428 to 515.
I also have an 05 3.2 A6 Gas with 244,000 miles. Runs great also. Leaks a little oil but doesn't burn any.

Which plug & play software that generates those kind of numbers? I never heard of a plug & play software that can make that significant changes, unless you're talking about a tuner.



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