EighTT

I getting a bit tired of having you constantly attempt to invalidate my comments regarding, most recently, the Mark I versus Mark II suspensions. I have offered an opinion that most seem to agree with. That is, the Mark II has a greater body roll, wider steering ratios, more understeer and generally behaves in a more sedan-like manner. The go-kart is gone, but the car is easier to control at very high speeds, and it communicates that you are reaching the limits better.

I have driven both a Mark I coupe and a Mark II roadster extensively, back-to-back, for the sole purpose of analyzing and articluating the differences. The differences are not due to the increased weight, 88 pounds over the 180q if I recall. Nor are they due to the roadster's "softer" shocks, which even though they are 10% softer than the Mark II coupe's, they are firmer than the Mark I setup, and there's probably little difference in overall stiffness (roadster vs. Mark I coupe).

What I am feeling is the combination of different sway bars, different control arms, different springs, different Monroe shocks. Look, they modified the Holy Sh@t out of this suspension. 11-12 hours of labor to do the mods.

They want understeer. They want to scare you into slowing down. They want a more roll, that's why they changed the sway bars. They want the car to be less darty, that's why the control arms were replaced. If you're a sports car enthusiast, none of these things are good! If you are a Sunday driver who wants to cruise from A to B, looking cool but driving in a generally sedate manner, I suppose the mods are fine. Even with them, the car is still a lot of fun, but my impressions mirror exactly what Audi was trying to accomplish.

If you want to offer your opinion, fine, though I greatly disagree with it, and I wonder how many of these cars you have driven back-to-back. However, don't attempt to invalidate me as you did by "making sure NEXTT understands his source". That's not only insulting, but a bunch of nonsense too.

You've read my posts for awhile, you must know that I research the heck out of these subjects so that I can post in an informed manner. I don't shoot from the hip or pull this stuff out of my ***. So knock it off already, if you don't mind.<p><img src="http://home.san.rr.com/winefinds/1.jpg" border="0">

<B>Brad Willis</B>

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Larrytt

I have been saying the SAME things about the MkI vs. MkII suspensions since the day it was announced. I have also driven MkI and MkII back to back, both coupes and roadsters.

If you want to have fun with the car, meaning tossing it into turns and driving 8/10ths to 10/10ths stick with MkI. If you want to go cruising take the MkII.

End of story!

I am NOT saying you can't drive a MkII car to 10/10ths, I am saying that you can't drive it to the CARS greatest potential! The suspension is limiting that, just as Audi planned.<p><a href="http://registry.audiworld.com/audi/registry/details.asp?car=3285"><img SRC="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/AudiWorldPics/2000/ttsig.jpg" BORDER=0 alt="Click for Mods"></a>
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RW

I agree with Bart. A difference of 452 lbs. is going to change the way the two cars handle above and beyond suspension changes. Also, if the coupe is stiffer as Bart suggests, handling would also be affected. If you've read any of the BMW M Coupe reviews, you would know the importance engineers place on chassis stiffness. Any objective evaluation would have to include these factors. The FWDTTC weighs 2910 lbs and the 225TTR weighs 3362 lbs. These facts are from the forum. -RW

evan

and we all like to hear facts and even opinions from users of this forum. Brad has posted his impressions and opinions, so did BarTT and so did you and so am I. But that was only a small part of what Brad said above. We all have the the right to these opinions and discussions about all things TT-- this is the place to air them.

But its how we choose to say our peace that makes the difference, and I believe that Brad was getting at this. If I don't agree with someone, its unnecessary, lo, counterproductive to insult them in the process of disagreeing. I appreciate the facts you have presented here in a non-negative manner; I appreciate the information Brad presented too; I do, however, feel that personal attacks and insults serve no one here, and we should all be more mature and conduct discussions here with the same courtesy we would face to face.

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Just Plain Cliff

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ttquattro4

I appreciate your comparison of the mod vs unmodified suspensions. Suspension kit is available to me for my TT but I am happy with the current ride, prefer the non-spoiler look(personal pref) and will not likely have them done. Any others tried pre and post suspension changes-impressions?
Barry<p>bwiseman

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<B>Brad Willis</B>

<FONT COLOR="#FF6600">2001 225q TT Roadster
No Borla
No Garrett
No Stickers</FONT>

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Janet

I'm with you, Barry.....but I'm also very curious to hear comments from those who *have* "modified".

NexxTT

and I thought BarTT's were unnecessarily rude. I get more info minus the vituperation, but I would still like to hear BarTT's legit comments the mods as, so far, I'm still thinking mod-less.