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08-10-2002, 02:04 PM
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My boost is getting lower and lower. So I did some testing today and it seems to be a faulty N75. To see if boost gets higher I put a big fuel filter in the wastegateline after the N75 and wow, it was like a second chip. After that I put the filter befor the N75 with different result . Boost is only slightly higher in the higher rpms. Ordered a Dawes Device to fit it permanently. KF is fuelfilter in the chart.<ul><li><a href="http://loevenich.bei.t-online.de/KFMBAR.jpg">Boost</a></li></ul>
My boost is getting lower and lower. So I did some testing today and it seems to be a faulty N75. To see if boost gets higher I put a big fuel filter in the wastegateline after the N75 and wow, it was like a second chip. After that I put the filter befor the N75 with different result . Boost is only slightly higher in the higher rpms. Ordered a Dawes Device to fit it permanently. KF is fuelfilter in the chart.<ul><li><a href="http://loevenich.bei.t-online.de/KFMBAR.jpg">Boost</a></li></ul>
08-10-2002, 02:17 PM
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Here's some N75 info from Vortex....(Long but informative)....>>>>
From the technical/1.8 forum:
<img src="http://images.fotki.com/v7/photos/7/7305/119364/thing-vi.jpg">
Guys,
As i see many of you are totally confused about the N75 valve (what it does, how is it working), just exactly as i was before digging myself into the topic quite deeply. My car was seriously down on power - i even posted some desperate topics here too, but noone was able to give me any usable suggestions/answers. At the end, i found that there was some problem with my N75 valve (though it was working OK) which prevented the car to produce more boost than stock.
So, if any of you has problems with the N75 valve - or just got problems but don't really know what is it related to, then read more further.
The turbo, the boost it produces, the N75 and the ECU.
These are the most important things which you have to focus on. As we know, we got a turbo on our engine which produces boost. The turbo is "driven" by the exhaust gasses our engine produces. Exhaust spools up the turbine in the turbo which is mounted on the same driveshaft as the compressor which then generates boost. I persume it is all clear for everybody.
There is a wastegate on our turbos (as usually on every turbo) which looks like a simple valve, just exactly like in the cylinderhead. There's a difference though, the valves in the head are operated by the cams, the valve (wastegate) in the turbo is operated by pressurized air. When pressurized air is introduced to the wastegate, it will open, enabling the exhaust gasses to escape and skip the turbo. This will result in a dramatical loss of boost, because there will be no gas which would spin the turbo. I bet this is (was) also clear for everybody.
But how is this all hooked up???
Quite simply. The wastegate is operated by the turbo itself. The boost the turbo produces is directly fed to its own wastegate. What does this mean? When the turbo spools up, it will create boost and this boost will open its own wastegate, shutting itself automatically down.
But where's boost control? And wheres ECU?
Here comes the N75 valve. The N75 valve is inserted between the turbo's high pressure output and the wastegate. If the turbo would directly linked to the wastegate, it would not be able to produce lets say more than 0.3-0.4 bar of boost, because it would shut itself down immediately. When the ECU wants more boost (because you are stepping on it for example), it WENTS some air from this loop (turbo--->wastegate) so the wastegate will not open at all, or will open later.
The N75 has got 1 boost input, and 2 outputs. At the input, boost is entering into the N75 and exits on one of the outputs going to the wastegate. When N75 is closed (default state), all the boost goes to the wastegate. When ECU opens the N75 valve (because it has got an electrical plug too coming from ECU), so when ECU opens it, some of this boost (which would operate the wastegate) is leaving/leaking back to the inlet (and not opening wastegate). Since the N75 valve has NO state in between, is is opened or closed. The ECU switches it ON/OFF all the time (several times a second) to generate the desired amount of boost. Doesn't it reminds you to something???? ... Yeah, it's surging. But it is absolutely normal, this is how ECU controls the wastegate. When a car is chipped, the boost is a LOT higher than it is designed to operate on, so this kind of boost control will be noticable.
By adjusting the N75 valve, you can adjust the amount of air which should leave when the N75 is opened. If you adjust the N75 to the right, you will "close" the N75 valve, so just a few amounts of air is wented from the wastegate which will result in a lot smoother drive (eliminating surging, because the boost will be more constant), BUT at the same time it will introduce more boost to the wastegate, causing LESS overall boost. Adjusting the N75 valve to the left will "open" it, enabling more air to escape from the wastegate when N75 is opened, which will result in more boost (coz wastegate wont open), BUT at the same time it MAY cause surging as the N75 opening/closing will be more obvious.
And finally, here are some useful links to our forums where we dealt with some problems which helped us to understand the operation of the N75 valve.
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=6680
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=7210
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=7417
<img src="http://images.fotki.com/v7/photos/7/7305/119364/thing-vi.jpg">
Guys,
As i see many of you are totally confused about the N75 valve (what it does, how is it working), just exactly as i was before digging myself into the topic quite deeply. My car was seriously down on power - i even posted some desperate topics here too, but noone was able to give me any usable suggestions/answers. At the end, i found that there was some problem with my N75 valve (though it was working OK) which prevented the car to produce more boost than stock.
So, if any of you has problems with the N75 valve - or just got problems but don't really know what is it related to, then read more further.
The turbo, the boost it produces, the N75 and the ECU.
These are the most important things which you have to focus on. As we know, we got a turbo on our engine which produces boost. The turbo is "driven" by the exhaust gasses our engine produces. Exhaust spools up the turbine in the turbo which is mounted on the same driveshaft as the compressor which then generates boost. I persume it is all clear for everybody.
There is a wastegate on our turbos (as usually on every turbo) which looks like a simple valve, just exactly like in the cylinderhead. There's a difference though, the valves in the head are operated by the cams, the valve (wastegate) in the turbo is operated by pressurized air. When pressurized air is introduced to the wastegate, it will open, enabling the exhaust gasses to escape and skip the turbo. This will result in a dramatical loss of boost, because there will be no gas which would spin the turbo. I bet this is (was) also clear for everybody.
But how is this all hooked up???
Quite simply. The wastegate is operated by the turbo itself. The boost the turbo produces is directly fed to its own wastegate. What does this mean? When the turbo spools up, it will create boost and this boost will open its own wastegate, shutting itself automatically down.
But where's boost control? And wheres ECU?
Here comes the N75 valve. The N75 valve is inserted between the turbo's high pressure output and the wastegate. If the turbo would directly linked to the wastegate, it would not be able to produce lets say more than 0.3-0.4 bar of boost, because it would shut itself down immediately. When the ECU wants more boost (because you are stepping on it for example), it WENTS some air from this loop (turbo--->wastegate) so the wastegate will not open at all, or will open later.
The N75 has got 1 boost input, and 2 outputs. At the input, boost is entering into the N75 and exits on one of the outputs going to the wastegate. When N75 is closed (default state), all the boost goes to the wastegate. When ECU opens the N75 valve (because it has got an electrical plug too coming from ECU), so when ECU opens it, some of this boost (which would operate the wastegate) is leaving/leaking back to the inlet (and not opening wastegate). Since the N75 valve has NO state in between, is is opened or closed. The ECU switches it ON/OFF all the time (several times a second) to generate the desired amount of boost. Doesn't it reminds you to something???? ... Yeah, it's surging. But it is absolutely normal, this is how ECU controls the wastegate. When a car is chipped, the boost is a LOT higher than it is designed to operate on, so this kind of boost control will be noticable.
By adjusting the N75 valve, you can adjust the amount of air which should leave when the N75 is opened. If you adjust the N75 to the right, you will "close" the N75 valve, so just a few amounts of air is wented from the wastegate which will result in a lot smoother drive (eliminating surging, because the boost will be more constant), BUT at the same time it will introduce more boost to the wastegate, causing LESS overall boost. Adjusting the N75 valve to the left will "open" it, enabling more air to escape from the wastegate when N75 is opened, which will result in more boost (coz wastegate wont open), BUT at the same time it MAY cause surging as the N75 opening/closing will be more obvious.
And finally, here are some useful links to our forums where we dealt with some problems which helped us to understand the operation of the N75 valve.
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=6680
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=7210
http://www.seatcars.net/forums/showthread.php?s=b093d32039884f84fdb3166f9a680051& amp;threadid=7417
08-10-2002, 03:11 PM
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SORRY I HEAR MORE BOOST blah blah MORE BOOST blah blah
So..... does this mean that we can generate more boost, though "jumpy" boost by turning that to the left?! (wicked grin) => thus more HP/Tourque?
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