Q7 no start, no communication
Hi, was hoping I might be able to get some insight here.. I have an 07 Q7 4.2 with 105K. Last week during frigid cold here in Boston the car stalled shortly after starting up. Did this a few times then seemed ok. Later while driving it completely cutout and would not start or even turn over. Had it towed home. Car will not crank now and I am getting a low battery warning on the dash, esc fault, and adaptive headlight fault. When I put the key to the on position the fan comes on at a very high speed. Also, very weird, the CD changer starts going through the discs. It is a stock radio. All other electrical in interior is fine, lights etc.. The battery tested bad, so I replaced it, was almost time for a new one anyways. There is no communication from the OBD port. I checked for power and ground there and got 12V. But when I checked pin 7 got nothing. So far I have checked all fuses and tested all relays save the few next to the steering column. Anybody have any tips for the next diagnostic steps? Thanks!
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Try disconnecting the battery ground lead for a few minutes then when you re-connect it, make sure it connects well straight away with no flickering on and off. It sounds like there is some logic corruption somewhere to me....
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Thanks Edd, when I take off the ground from battery and reconnect, I do get a bit of flickering. Also should mention I did a parasitic drain test and after 5 minutes there were no drains.
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Just realized the passenger side floor is soaked after rain. I am going to clean the drains today. Water seems to be coming in just under the glove box. What is over there in terms of electrical that could cause this?
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check under the passenger seat. You have two control modules that can cause your problem.
1. Vehicle Electrical System Control Module 2 -J520- 2. Transmission Control Module (TCM) -J217- |
Ok will do. I actually have the seat partially removed as I was heading there anyways. Once I find these modules, how does one test them?
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Sounds like the alternator quit. See if you can get a good battery or fully charge the one you have and see if the car starts. If it does start let it run for a minute and then pull the positive cable off the battery while it's running and see if it cuts out, if it does then you know if its your alternator.
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Thanks for the reply. I dont think its the alt only because all electrical is fine in the car.
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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Ok will do. I actually have the seat partially removed as I was heading there anyways. Once I find these modules, how does one test them?
example: Perform Guided Fault Finding or Guided Functions before replacing or removing the control module. Refer to vehicle diagnosis, testing and information system VAS 5051. Read out the control module identification and coding from the previous transmission control module (TCM) (J217) and J520. |
Thank s so much again for taking your time to help me out. I probably should have mentioned I am not a pro, just a guy trying to rule out as many problems before this car gets shipped to the dealer. As I mentioned previously, there is no communication from the car. I have checked for power and ground at the port and its fine. I am wondering how to physically check the j520. Looking at the pin assignment on the j520 I see only a few pins used. However, one caught my attention which is the glove box unlock motor activation. Mine is currently not working and was before. I guess my question is.. if I check for power and or continuity at pins 105 and 113 (can-h and can-l) will that give me aome insight as to the functionality of this module (j520)? Sorry in advance if this is a completely ridiculous and naive question. Thanks again
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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Thank s so much again for taking your time to help me out. I probably should have mentioned I am not a pro, just a guy trying to rule out as many problems before this car gets shipped to the dealer. As I mentioned previously, there is no communication from the car. I have checked for power and ground at the port and its fine. I am wondering how to physically check the j520. Looking at the pin assignment on the j520 I see only a few pins used. However, one caught my attention which is the glove box unlock motor activation. Mine is currently not working and was before. I guess my question is.. if I check for power and or continuity at pins 105 and 113 (can-h and can-l) will that give me aome insight as to the functionality of this module (j520)? Sorry in advance if this is a completely ridiculous and naive question. Thanks again
Attachment 45612 The motor is on it own, looks like water damage. Attachment 45613 adjust the cable Attachment 45614 |
Thanks. Not overly concerned with getting to glove box open. Just thought it may be a clue to the module's status?
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Sorry didnt see your comment on the bottom there. So how can I test the module with no vag communication?
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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Sorry didnt see your comment on the bottom there. So how can I test the module with no vag communication?
I assume you have check all the fuses on the right side panel? |
Thanks. I appreciate it. I did. There were a few blown, power outlets, I replaced them. I just saw that the j520 is fuse 5 in carrier 1. That was visually ok, but I will test that one.
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Everything that I am reding talks about no power to the ECU. attach is a relay J271 in the ECU.
Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply Relay -J271- Check this out. Attachment 45615 |
I believe there is a few boxes of some kind under the passenger foot-well carpet, os there may be water damage there as well.
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Originally Posted by smith2010Q7
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Everything that I am reding talks about no power to the ECU. attach is a relay J271 in the ECU.
Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply Relay -J271- Check this out. Attachment 45615 |
Originally Posted by axl3133
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Thats the first relay I looked at. Tested fine. I may replace it anyways for peace of mind.
Boy this is a tough one.:mad: |
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I pretty sure you have check this. under driver seat main fuse links and power supply relay
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Awesome, thanks! This will keep me busy tomorrow. I will let you know theresult
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Pulled out the j271 relay and replaced it, no difference. Tested for power at relay and got 12V. Wondering now how to start looking at the various modules. A VW tech indicated to me that the only way to test these modules is to replace them with a known working unit. Is that the case? Will the car run if the faulty module has been replaced without it being coded to the car? Thanks
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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Pulled out the j271 relay and replaced it, no difference. Tested for power at relay and got 12V. Wondering now how to start looking at the various modules. A VW tech indicated to me that the only way to test these modules is to replace them with a known working unit. Is that the case? Will the car run if the faulty module has been replaced
without it being coded to the car? Thanks If I have a faulty module, specifically either of the onboard power supplies or the gateway, if they are replaced (individually) will I know if this is the problem without having the ability to code them? Thanks! |
here is the scan, anybody have any insight here?
Friday,20,March,2015,10:06:24:45699 VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0 Data version: 20150311 Ross-Tech: Home Mileage: 179190km-111343mi Repair Order: 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chassis Type: 4L0 Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 0F 15 16 17 19 36 37 42 46 47 4F 52 55 56 61 62 65 6D 6F 72 77 Mileage: 179190km-111343miles 00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000 01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100 02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010 03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010 05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 07-Control Head -- Status: Malfunction 0010 08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010 09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: Malfunction 0010 0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010 15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010 16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010 17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010 19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010 36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: Malfunction 0010 37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010 46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000 4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010 52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010 56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010 61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010 65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010 6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 6F-Centr. Conv. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010 72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000 77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 01: Engine Cannot be reached ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl Part No SW: 09D 927 750 FH HW: 09D 927 750 FH Component: AL 750 6A 0959 Revision: 00H52000 Serial number: Coding: 0000504 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 79F9AE75306BD1E9291-802C 2 Faults Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 0 Mileage: 0 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2006.05.10 Time: 12:00:02 01314 - Engine Control Module 008 - Implausible Signal Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 0 Mileage: 0 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2006.05.10 Time: 12:00:02 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4L0-910-517-V1.clb Part No SW: 4L0 910 517 A HW: 4L0 614 517 A Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1 0130 Revision: 00H22001 Coding: 0017457 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D 3 Faults Found: 00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 09:37:17 Freeze Frame: Count: 0 Count: 10497 Count: 128 Count: 34816 01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2006.05.10 Time: 12:02:09 Freeze Frame: Count: 128 Count: 8961 Count: 297 Count: 44032 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 08:59:20 Freeze Frame: Count: 128 Count: 8449 Count: 8194 Count: 39424 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4F0-910-852.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 HW: 4F0 905 852 B Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H31 0220 Revision: 31050601 Serial number: 10601100564407 Coding: 0000131 Shop #: WSC 08354 444 84041 VCID: 63C5EC1DA2E73B3913D-8036 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 131 J Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS H45 0080 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 A Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG H01 0040 4 Faults Found: 00230 - Transmission Park Selector Switch (F305) 010 - Open or Short to Plus Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 6 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:42:59 00185 - Control Circuit; Relay for Supply Voltage Terminal 15 009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101001 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 09:36:17 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 8 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:51 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 15 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:49:06 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 07: Control Head Labels: 4L0-910-7xx-07-H.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 732 Q HW: 4E0 035 729 Component: Interfacebox H43 4610 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 308J.067508945 Coding: 0002003 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 377D684D46FF07999F5-8062 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 609 Component: E0380 BedienteilH01 0060 Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000001493398 Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0127.01.100000000100010334ÿ Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 010334ÿ 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 6 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:09 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None Part No SW: 4L0 910 043 HW: 4L0 820 043 F Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH05 0060 Revision: 00---011 Serial number: 00000000078818 Coding: 0524328 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 61C9E615B8FB2929011-8034 4 Faults Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 008 - Implausible Signal Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101000 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:44:11 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 000 - - - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 8 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.28 Time: 13:23:31 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 9.70 V 01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:49:33 Freeze Frame: ON 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:53 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 8.20 V ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 J HW: 4F0 907 279 A Component: ILM Fahrer H17 0240 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279 Coding: 0114123 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 306F5351A391D0A1DEF-8065 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L1 910 113 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB Component: Wischer AU716 H12 0080 Coding: 00064792 Shop #: WSC 31414 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090 Coding: 00150059 Shop #: WSC 31414 2 Faults Found: 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 6 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179196 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 09:38:00 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179196 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:49:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 0E: Media Player 1 Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 111 A HW: 4L0 035 111 Component: CD-Changer H41 0100 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ5ZBF3050425 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 1E339DE9C90556D17C3-804B 3 Faults Found: 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 11:53:30 02261 - Data Medium 014 - Defective - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101110 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 29 Mileage: 160923 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2014.02.26 Time: 14:23:29 Freeze Frame: Text: 00000000 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:51:27 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 4E0-910-593-SIR.lbl Part No SW: 4E0 910 593 D HW: 4E0 035 593 Component: SDAR SIRIUS H04 0670 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7J0559386 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D 2 Faults Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:13 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 8.40 V 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 8 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:49:13 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 8.40 V ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4L0-910-655.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 655 A HW: 4L0 959 655 B Component: 73 AIRBAG AUDI8RH39 0210 Revision: 03H39000 Serial number: 0038QD040WAA Coding: 0014131 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2B55443D8AB7B379EBD-807E Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 339 Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H02 0020 Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332QSME1774431BD Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342QSME17737721B Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME15064D6BN Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME176C0B3DV Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63734SME15062903R Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63834SME15063031L 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A HW: 4F0 953 549 C Component: J0527 0410 Revision: 00H03000 Serial number: 90026062820104 Coding: 0012242 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 275DB80D965F97190F5-8072 Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX Component: E0221 H07 0090 2 Faults Found: 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 22 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:51:24 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 9 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.03 Time: 11:08:45 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4L0-910-xxx-17.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 930 C HW: 4L0 920 980 H Component: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H17 0120 Revision: 00600000 Serial number: 5HH31CLA6 Coding: 2641263 Shop #: WSC 01110 444 999999 VCID: 2345AC1DE2677B3953D-8076 2 Faults Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 150 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:42:13 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:49:34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4L0-910-468.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 468 HW: 4L0 907 468 Component: J533__Gateway H06 0040 Revision: 00H06000 Serial number: 0900B06A140005 Coding: E5D7BE77303A02 Shop #: WSC 01127 444 123984 VCID: 6CD787214F397441A27-8039 2 Faults Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 118 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:41:46 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:51:17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None Part No SW: 4F0 910 760 HW: 4L0 959 760 Component: Sitzmemory FS H01 0100 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000896401 Coding: 0082946 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 61C9E615B8FB2929011-8034 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179196 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:51:14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl Part No SW: 4E0 910 888 C HW: 4E0 919 887 D Component: MNS US H48 0960 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 313JP067508271 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2E534D29B9A5C651CC3-807B 2 Faults Found: 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.03 Time: 12:37:28 Freeze Frame: Hex Value: 0x54F6 Hex Value: 0xFD2D Hex Value: 0x004C 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:51:15 Freeze Frame: Hex Value: 0x54F5 Hex Value: 0xDB3B Hex Value: 0x0041 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4L0-910-793-42.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B HW: 4L0 959 793 B Component: TSG FA H12 0130 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: @X Coding: 0035531 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2F6D502DBEAFCF59C75-807A 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4L0-910-289.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 289 D HW: 4L0 907 289 A Component: Komfortgeraet H05 0020 Revision: 0020 --- Serial number: 01021092710000 Coding: 7632925 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301 1 Fault Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 254 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:41:42 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 47: Sound System Labels: 4L0-910-223-BO.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 223 G HW: 4L0 035 223 D Component: DSP-High AU716 H02 0150 Revision: PROD_01 Serial number: 00000000021115 Coding: 0000016 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280 B Component: ILM Beifahrer H10 0080 Revision: Serial number: 00000000047047 Coding: 0012001 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 5EB3DDE9898516D13C3-800B 3 Faults Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00110010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179196 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.03 Time: 11:08:00 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 6.000 V Temperature: 3.0°C 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 164 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179184 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:41:00 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 11.800 V Temperature: -4.0°C 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00110010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 11 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179196 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:00 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 8.000 V Temperature: 13.0°C ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4L0-910-793-52.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B HW: 4L0 959 792 B Component: TSG BF H12 0130 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: f Coding: 0035531 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2F6D502DBEAFCF59C75-807A 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:35 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F HW: 4F0 907 357 F Component: AFS 1 H01 0020 Revision: 00000001 Serial number: Coding: 0000021 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2959BE35804BA169191-807C Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A Component: AFS-Modul links H06 0002 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH06 0002 3 Faults Found: 01314 - Engine Control Module 004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 11100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 221 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179192 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:41:46 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 40 Mileage: 179192 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:51 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 14 Reset counter: 40 Mileage: 8 km Time Indication: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 T HW: 4E0 035 541 P Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0630 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 388J.067560714 Coding: 0000002 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064 2 Faults Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:14 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 245 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.03 Time: 11:06:52 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 61: Battery Regul. Labels: 4F0-910-181.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 181 HW: 4L0 915 181 Component: J0644 BEM H12 0530 Revision: -------- Serial number: 00000000049714 Shop #: WSC 08215 444 54285 VCID: 64C7EF01A7E93C01EA7-8031 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 915 105 D Component: von VA0 310815F0SD Coding: 344630393135313035442056413033313038313546305344 Shop #: WSC 01127 444 123984 2 Faults Found: 03041 - Energy Management Active 000 - - - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100000 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 136 Reset counter: 255 Mileage: 179079 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.16 Time: 10:31:15 01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 004 - No Signal/Communication Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100100 Fault Priority: 5 Fault Frequency: 127 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179187 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.02.18 Time: 06:41:57 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B HW: 4L0 959 795 B Component: TSG HL H21 0050 Coding: 0035338 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:54 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 4F0-910-273-BA.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 273 B HW: 4F0 907 273 A Component: Reifendruck 3 H05 0100 Revision: 00050100 Serial number: 00000700032769 Coding: 0062424 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 224BA919FD7D723158B-8077 2 Faults Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 10100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 40 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.03 Time: 11:08:45 Freeze Frame: (no units): 255.0 Voltage: 6.00 V (no units): 42.0 Not Recogn. Not Recogn. Not Recogn. Not Recogn. 01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 013 - Check DTC Memory Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101101 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 32 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2006.05.10 Time: 12:03:47 Freeze Frame: (no units): 0.0 Voltage: 11.60 V (no units): 27.0 Not Recogn. Not Recogn. Not Recogn. Not Recogn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6D: Trunk Elect. Labels: None Part No SW: 4L0 910 945 HW: 4L0 827 851 B Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H21 0280 Revision: --H21001 Serial number: E5030000B Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354 VCID: 6CD787214F397441A27-8039 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 946 Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H21 0280 Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD18.10.06--H21001001C0022ÿ Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1C0022ÿ 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 10 Reset counter: 40 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:21 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6F: Centr. Conv. II Labels: 4L0-910-290.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 290 A HW: 4L0 907 290 A Component: ILM HINTEN 2 H05 0060 Revision: AAH05061 Serial number: 002064552----- Coding: 0003595 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 2643B50991558E11343-8073 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 Component: J_245_EE15_SKB09H10 0180 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 Component: J_394_EE15_SKB09H10 0180 Subsystem 3 - Part No: 4L0 910 591 Component: J_392_EE15_SKB09H10 0180 1 Fault Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 24 Reset counter: 40 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B HW: 4L0 959 794 B Component: TSG HR H21 0050 Coding: 0035338 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 77: Telephone Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 336 H HW: 4E0 862 335 Component: Handyvorb2 H16 1130 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000007550812 Coding: 0010900 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D 2 Faults Found: 00532 - Supply Voltage B+ 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 5 Reset counter: 72 Mileage: 179197 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2015.03.02 Time: 10:50:53 00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100010 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 72 Time Indication: 15 End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:28)-------------------------- |
Everything seems to point at the ECM, remove your wipers and plastic dip tray. Then look at your ECM on the passenger side, look for water or corroded pins.
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Thanks, will do. I am also going to check for power and continuity from the J271 main power supply relay socket to the appropriate terminal on the ecm harness to make sure there isnt a problem in between. If there is no problem I can assume its the ECM? such a bummer. Do these fail commonly?
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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Thanks, will do. I am also going to check for power and continuity from the J271 main power supply relay socket to the appropriate terminal on the ecm harness to make sure there isnt a problem in between. If there is no problem I can assume its the ECM? such a bummer. Do these fail commonly?
Only if it gets wet. Your fault code Thanks, I will start looking in the manual if I see anything. I am sure I have given you everything in checking power to the ECM. |
Possible Solutions
Check CAN-Databus Wiring/Connectors from/to Engine Control Module Check Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) Usually Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 125+ show the current Communication Status |
Thanks Smith. Yes, I have checked for power going into the main relay and its there. I will check for power getting to the ECM this weekend. Can you elaborate on your previous idea. Which MVB's should I be checking? The various modules to see if they are communicating?
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I have study your fault codes, you have a losS supply power fault which can be cause by your battery or your CAN BUS.
All of the modules for which you have "no comm" error use CAN-bus to communicate between each other. CAN-bus is two wires, you can recognize them because they are twisted pair to shield from interference. The wires are usually next to each other in the connector and usually same color with different colored stripes. Try checking the CAN-gateway coding, if it's OK, check the CAN-bus wiring. Question: From your notes you replace your battery I believed what you have mention? Did your reprogram the VCDS system for the ECM to read the new battery? Is the battery over 12.5v fully charge right now? You have a code of 01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533) 004 - No Signal/Comm Possible Symptoms Warning Lamp On Possible Causes Wiring Harness Issue Defective Control Module Possible Solutions Notes If the fault is only found in one control module, then most likely that module is the issue. However, if the fault is found several different control modules, then the CAN Gateway could be the issue. Another signs of a battery problem is code 00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30 00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30: Signal Outside Specifications 00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30: Implausible Signal Possible Causes Fuse(s) faulty Wiring/Connectors from/to Control Module faulty Power Supply (Battery/Generator) faulty Possible Solutions Check Fuse(s) Check/Repair Wiring/Connectors from/to Control Module Check Power Supply (Battery/Generator) Special Notes When found in an individual control module, it's most likely a local source (e.g. wiring/connectors). When found in multiple control modules at the same time, it's most likely a common source (e.g. ground spot, battery, generator). Intermittent codes are often stored during low outside temperature when the battery capacity goes down and may be ignored. Attachment 45790 Attachment 45791 Attachment 45792 Attachment 45793 Attachment 45794 |
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I do not if you have this self study talks a little about J533. Plus everything that works with the ECM.
DID I tell you I hate elec. work. Attachment 45795 |
Wow, thanks so much!
I did just replace the battery, that was after the problem, I was under the impression the new battery did not have to be coded? If so I will do it. Battery is fully charged. I will check the gateway coding. Just to go back one post, you mentioned checking the MVBs... Should I be looking for something like this... The J533 (Gateway) has 125 as engine electronics, I should be looking for 1's there correct? |
Sounds like the wiring or Connectors from/to Transmission Control Module (J217) are faulty in some way. That;s where I'd start. You can check in VAGcom - Measuring Value Block (MVB) 125+
those codes point to the TCM. It's listed under 'auto-trans' on VCDS Click the 'auto trans' button when you are in the main menu. Possibly water ingress in the TCM / connector, or a broken wire. That's results from ECU and ABS from your code list. Is VCDS not connecting to TCM? Do you get no connetion error when trying to read TCM? Under J533 check is part 2 check is the TCU |
Ok, I will check it out in the AM, snowing here again...
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So I was able to communicate individually with all modules on the powertrain CAN BUS. They all showed a "1", connection to the j533 gateway. Including the TCM. However, all of those modules and the gateway show a "0" n the MVB for communication to the engine control unit.
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Originally Posted by axl3133
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So I was able to communicate individually with all modules on the powertrain CAN BUS. They all showed a "1", connection to the j533 gateway. Including the TCM. However, all of those modules and the gateway show a "0" n the MVB for communication to the engine control unit.
I believe the dealer is the only can do it cause have to reprogram everything plus your key fobs. Was you able to update the ecu that you replace your battery and clear all the codes again to see what is coming up, should be about 3 things. Attachment 45829 Attachment 45830 |
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