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axl3133 03-12-2015 05:18 AM

Q7 no start, no communication
 
Hi, was hoping I might be able to get some insight here.. I have an 07 Q7 4.2 with 105K. Last week during frigid cold here in Boston the car stalled shortly after starting up. Did this a few times then seemed ok. Later while driving it completely cutout and would not start or even turn over. Had it towed home. Car will not crank now and I am getting a low battery warning on the dash, esc fault, and adaptive headlight fault. When I put the key to the on position the fan comes on at a very high speed. Also, very weird, the CD changer starts going through the discs. It is a stock radio. All other electrical in interior is fine, lights etc.. The battery tested bad, so I replaced it, was almost time for a new one anyways. There is no communication from the OBD port. I checked for power and ground there and got 12V. But when I checked pin 7 got nothing. So far I have checked all fuses and tested all relays save the few next to the steering column. Anybody have any tips for the next diagnostic steps? Thanks!

Edd W 03-12-2015 05:52 AM

Try disconnecting the battery ground lead for a few minutes then when you re-connect it, make sure it connects well straight away with no flickering on and off. It sounds like there is some logic corruption somewhere to me....

axl3133 03-12-2015 05:55 AM

Thanks Edd, when I take off the ground from battery and reconnect, I do get a bit of flickering. Also should mention I did a parasitic drain test and after 5 minutes there were no drains.

axl3133 03-12-2015 07:21 AM

Just realized the passenger side floor is soaked after rain. I am going to clean the drains today. Water seems to be coming in just under the glove box. What is over there in terms of electrical that could cause this?

smith2010Q7 03-12-2015 09:56 AM

check under the passenger seat. You have two control modules that can cause your problem.
1. Vehicle Electrical System Control Module 2 -J520-
2. Transmission Control Module (TCM) -J217-

axl3133 03-12-2015 12:47 PM

Ok will do. I actually have the seat partially removed as I was heading there anyways. Once I find these modules, how does one test them?

Dtomasi 03-12-2015 03:43 PM

Sounds like the alternator quit. See if you can get a good battery or fully charge the one you have and see if the car starts. If it does start let it run for a minute and then pull the positive cable off the battery while it's running and see if it cuts out, if it does then you know if its your alternator.

axl3133 03-12-2015 03:49 PM

Thanks for the reply. I dont think its the alt only because all electrical is fine in the car.

smith2010Q7 03-12-2015 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24665230)
Ok will do. I actually have the seat partially removed as I was heading there anyways. Once I find these modules, how does one test them?

need to scan for codes to see any areas if TCM is bad or the Vehicle Electrical System Control Module 2 -J520- .
example:
Perform Guided Fault Finding or Guided Functions before replacing or removing the control module. Refer to vehicle diagnosis, testing and information system VAS 5051.
Read out the control module identification and coding from the previous transmission control module (TCM) (J217) and J520.

axl3133 03-13-2015 04:37 AM

Thank s so much again for taking your time to help me out. I probably should have mentioned I am not a pro, just a guy trying to rule out as many problems before this car gets shipped to the dealer. As I mentioned previously, there is no communication from the car. I have checked for power and ground at the port and its fine. I am wondering how to physically check the j520. Looking at the pin assignment on the j520 I see only a few pins used. However, one caught my attention which is the glove box unlock motor activation. Mine is currently not working and was before. I guess my question is.. if I check for power and or continuity at pins 105 and 113 (can-h and can-l) will that give me aome insight as to the functionality of this module (j520)? Sorry in advance if this is a completely ridiculous and naive question. Thanks again

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24665426)
Thank s so much again for taking your time to help me out. I probably should have mentioned I am not a pro, just a guy trying to rule out as many problems before this car gets shipped to the dealer. As I mentioned previously, there is no communication from the car. I have checked for power and ground at the port and its fine. I am wondering how to physically check the j520. Looking at the pin assignment on the j520 I see only a few pins used. However, one caught my attention which is the glove box unlock motor activation. Mine is currently not working and was before. I guess my question is.. if I check for power and or continuity at pins 105 and 113 (can-h and can-l) will that give me aome insight as to the functionality of this module (j520)? Sorry in advance if this is a completely ridiculous and naive question. Thanks again

glove emerg open

Attachment 45612

The motor is on it own, looks like water damage.

Attachment 45613

adjust the cable

Attachment 45614

axl3133 03-13-2015 05:47 AM

Thanks. Not overly concerned with getting to glove box open. Just thought it may be a clue to the module's status?

axl3133 03-13-2015 05:48 AM

Sorry didnt see your comment on the bottom there. So how can I test the module with no vag communication?

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24665441)
Sorry didnt see your comment on the bottom there. So how can I test the module with no vag communication?

It is hard to find in the manual still looking.
I assume you have check all the fuses on the right side panel?

axl3133 03-13-2015 06:01 AM

Thanks. I appreciate it. I did. There were a few blown, power outlets, I replaced them. I just saw that the j520 is fuse 5 in carrier 1. That was visually ok, but I will test that one.

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 06:27 AM

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Everything that I am reding talks about no power to the ECU. attach is a relay J271 in the ECU.
Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply Relay -J271-
Check this out.

Attachment 45615

Edd W 03-13-2015 06:55 AM

I believe there is a few boxes of some kind under the passenger foot-well carpet, os there may be water damage there as well.

axl3133 03-13-2015 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by smith2010Q7 (Post 24665458)
Everything that I am reding talks about no power to the ECU. attach is a relay J271 in the ECU.
Motronic Engine Control Module (ECM) Power Supply Relay -J271-
Check this out.

Attachment 45615

Thats the first relay I looked at. Tested fine. I may replace it anyways for peace of mind.

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24665472)
Thats the first relay I looked at. Tested fine. I may replace it anyways for peace of mind.


Boy this is a tough one.:mad:

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 07:16 AM

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I pretty sure you have check this. under driver seat main fuse links and power supply relay

Attachment 45620

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 07:33 AM

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ok something new

testing main power supply.

Attachment 45621

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 07:40 AM

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ECM INFO

Attachment 45622

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 07:44 AM

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ECM PINS LOCATION CHECK POINTS

Attachment 45623

smith2010Q7 03-13-2015 08:01 AM

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OK

this goes with the last three post for checking the ECM. TSB

Attachment 45624

axl3133 03-13-2015 08:25 AM

Awesome, thanks! This will keep me busy tomorrow. I will let you know theresult

axl3133 03-17-2015 07:45 AM

Pulled out the j271 relay and replaced it, no difference. Tested for power at relay and got 12V. Wondering now how to start looking at the various modules. A VW tech indicated to me that the only way to test these modules is to replace them with a known working unit. Is that the case? Will the car run if the faulty module has been replaced without it being coded to the car? Thanks

axl3133 03-18-2015 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24666816)
Pulled out the j271 relay and replaced it, no difference. Tested for power at relay and got 12V. Wondering now how to start looking at the various modules. A VW tech indicated to me that the only way to test these modules is to replace them with a known working unit. Is that the case? Will the car run if the faulty module has been replaced
without it being coded to the car?
Thanks

Can anybody answer this?

If I have a faulty module, specifically either of the onboard power supplies or the gateway, if they are replaced (individually) will I know if this is the problem without having the ability to code them? Thanks!

axl3133 03-20-2015 06:28 AM

here is the scan, anybody have any insight here?

Friday,20,March,2015,10:06:24:45699
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.2.0
Data version: 20150311
Ross-Tech: Home


Mileage: 179190km-111343mi Repair Order: 1



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 4L0
Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 0F 15 16 17 19 36 37 42 46 47 4F 52
55 56 61 62 65 6D 6F 72 77

Mileage: 179190km-111343miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
07-Control Head -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: Malfunction 0010
37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Headlight Range -- Status: Malfunction 0010
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6F-Centr. Conv. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09D-927-750.lbl
Part No SW: 09D 927 750 FH HW: 09D 927 750 FH
Component: AL 750 6A 0959
Revision: 00H52000 Serial number:
Coding: 0000504
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 79F9AE75306BD1E9291-802C

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2006.05.10
Time: 12:00:02

01314 - Engine Control Module
008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 0
Mileage: 0 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2006.05.10
Time: 12:00:02


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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4L0-910-517-V1.clb
Part No SW: 4L0 910 517 A HW: 4L0 614 517 A
Component: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1 0130
Revision: 00H22001
Coding: 0017457
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D

3 Faults Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 09:37:17

Freeze Frame:
Count: 0
Count: 10497
Count: 128
Count: 34816

01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2006.05.10
Time: 12:02:09

Freeze Frame:
Count: 128
Count: 8961
Count: 297
Count: 44032

01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 08:59:20

Freeze Frame:
Count: 128
Count: 8449
Count: 8194
Count: 39424


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4F0-910-852.clb
Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 HW: 4F0 905 852 B
Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H31 0220
Revision: 31050601 Serial number: 10601100564407
Coding: 0000131
Shop #: WSC 08354 444 84041
VCID: 63C5EC1DA2E73B3913D-8036

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 131 J
Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS H45 0080

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 220 A
Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG H01 0040

4 Faults Found:
00230 - Transmission Park Selector Switch (F305)
010 - Open or Short to Plus
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 6
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:42:59

00185 - Control Circuit; Relay for Supply Voltage Terminal 15
009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 09:36:17

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 8
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:51

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 15
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:49:06


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 07: Control Head Labels: 4L0-910-7xx-07-H.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 732 Q HW: 4E0 035 729
Component: Interfacebox H43 4610
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 308J.067508945
Coding: 0002003
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 377D684D46FF07999F5-8062

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 609
Component: E0380 BedienteilH01 0060

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 00000001493398

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 0127.01.100000000100010334ÿ

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 010334ÿ

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 6
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:09


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No SW: 4L0 910 043 HW: 4L0 820 043 F
Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH05 0060
Revision: 00---011 Serial number: 00000000078818
Coding: 0524328
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 61C9E615B8FB2929011-8034

4 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:44:11

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 8
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.28
Time: 13:23:31

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 9.70 V

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:49:33

Freeze Frame:
ON

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:53

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 8.20 V


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 J HW: 4F0 907 279 A
Component: ILM Fahrer H17 0240
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279
Coding: 0114123
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 306F5351A391D0A1DEF-8065

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L1 910 113 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer AU716 H12 0080
Coding: 00064792
Shop #: WSC 31414

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090
Coding: 00150059
Shop #: WSC 31414

2 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 6
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179196 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 09:38:00

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179196 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:49:00


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Address 0E: Media Player 1 Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 111 A HW: 4L0 035 111
Component: CD-Changer H41 0100
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ5ZBF3050425
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 1E339DE9C90556D17C3-804B

3 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 11:53:30

02261 - Data Medium
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 29
Mileage: 160923 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2014.02.26
Time: 14:23:29

Freeze Frame:
Text: 00000000

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:51:27


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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 4E0-910-593-SIR.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 593 D HW: 4E0 035 593
Component: SDAR SIRIUS H04 0670
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7J0559386
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:13

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 8.40 V

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 8
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:49:13

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 8.40 V


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4L0-910-655.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 655 A HW: 4L0 959 655 B
Component: 73 AIRBAG AUDI8RH39 0210
Revision: 03H39000 Serial number: 0038QD040WAA
Coding: 0014131
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2B55443D8AB7B379EBD-807E

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 339
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. H02 0020

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332QSME1774431BD

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342QSME17737721B

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6352QSME15064D6BN

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6362QSME176C0B3DV

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63734SME15062903R

Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63834SME15063031L

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A HW: 4F0 953 549 C
Component: J0527 0410
Revision: 00H03000 Serial number: 90026062820104
Coding: 0012242
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 275DB80D965F97190F5-8072

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 H07 0090

2 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 22
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:51:24

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 9
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.03
Time: 11:08:45


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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4L0-910-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 930 C HW: 4L0 920 980 H
Component: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H17 0120
Revision: 00600000 Serial number: 5HH31CLA6
Coding: 2641263
Shop #: WSC 01110 444 999999
VCID: 2345AC1DE2677B3953D-8076

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 150
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:42:13

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:49:34


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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4L0-910-468.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 468 HW: 4L0 907 468
Component: J533__Gateway H06 0040
Revision: 00H06000 Serial number: 0900B06A140005
Coding: E5D7BE77303A02
Shop #: WSC 01127 444 123984
VCID: 6CD787214F397441A27-8039

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 118
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:41:46

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:51:17


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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
Part No SW: 4F0 910 760 HW: 4L0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory FS H01 0100
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000896401
Coding: 0082946
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 61C9E615B8FB2929011-8034

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179196 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:51:14


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Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 888 C HW: 4E0 919 887 D
Component: MNS US H48 0960
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 313JP067508271
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2E534D29B9A5C651CC3-807B

2 Faults Found:
00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.03
Time: 12:37:28

Freeze Frame:
Hex Value: 0x54F6
Hex Value: 0xFD2D
Hex Value: 0x004C

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:51:15

Freeze Frame:
Hex Value: 0x54F5
Hex Value: 0xDB3B
Hex Value: 0x0041


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4L0-910-793-42.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B HW: 4L0 959 793 B
Component: TSG FA H12 0130
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: @X
Coding: 0035531
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2F6D502DBEAFCF59C75-807A

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:23


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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4L0-910-289.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 289 D HW: 4L0 907 289 A
Component: Komfortgeraet H05 0020
Revision: 0020 --- Serial number: 01021092710000
Coding: 7632925
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:41:42


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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 4L0-910-223-BO.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 223 G HW: 4L0 035 223 D
Component: DSP-High AU716 H02 0150
Revision: PROD_01 Serial number: 00000000021115
Coding: 0000016
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D

No fault code found.

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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280 B
Component: ILM Beifahrer H10 0080
Revision: Serial number: 00000000047047
Coding: 0012001
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 5EB3DDE9898516D13C3-800B

3 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00110010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179196 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.03
Time: 11:08:00

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 6.000 V
Temperature: 3.0°C

01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 164
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179184 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:41:00

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.800 V
Temperature: -4.0°C

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00110010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 11
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179196 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:00

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 8.000 V
Temperature: 13.0°C


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4L0-910-793-52.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 793 B HW: 4L0 959 792 B
Component: TSG BF H12 0130
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: f
Coding: 0035531
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2F6D502DBEAFCF59C75-807A

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:35


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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F HW: 4F0 907 357 F
Component: AFS 1 H01 0020
Revision: 00000001 Serial number:
Coding: 0000021
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2959BE35804BA169191-807C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
Component: AFS-Modul links H06 0002

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 A
Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH06 0002

3 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 221
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179192 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:41:46

00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 179192 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:51

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 14
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 8 km
Time Indication: 0


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Address 56: Radio Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 T HW: 4E0 035 541 P
Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0630
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 388J.067560714
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:14

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 245
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.03
Time: 11:06:52


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Address 61: Battery Regul. Labels: 4F0-910-181.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 181 HW: 4L0 915 181
Component: J0644 BEM H12 0530
Revision: -------- Serial number: 00000000049714
Shop #: WSC 08215 444 54285
VCID: 64C7EF01A7E93C01EA7-8031

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 915 105 D
Component: von VA0 310815F0SD
Coding: 344630393135313035442056413033313038313546305344
Shop #: WSC 01127 444 123984

2 Faults Found:
03041 - Energy Management Active
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 136
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 179079 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.16
Time: 10:31:15

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 127
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179187 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.02.18
Time: 06:41:57


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B HW: 4L0 959 795 B
Component: TSG HL H21 0050
Coding: 0035338
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:54


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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 4F0-910-273-BA.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 273 B HW: 4F0 907 273 A
Component: Reifendruck 3 H05 0100
Revision: 00050100 Serial number: 00000700032769
Coding: 0062424
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 224BA919FD7D723158B-8077

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.03
Time: 11:08:45

Freeze Frame:
(no units): 255.0
Voltage: 6.00 V
(no units): 42.0
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.

01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
013 - Check DTC Memory
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101101
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 32
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2006.05.10
Time: 12:03:47

Freeze Frame:
(no units): 0.0
Voltage: 11.60 V
(no units): 27.0
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.
Not Recogn.


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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. Labels: None
Part No SW: 4L0 910 945 HW: 4L0 827 851 B
Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H21 0280
Revision: --H21001 Serial number: E5030000B
Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354
VCID: 6CD787214F397441A27-8039

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 946
Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H21 0280

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD18.10.06--H21001001C0022ÿ

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1C0022ÿ

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 10
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:21


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Address 6F: Centr. Conv. II Labels: 4L0-910-290.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 290 A HW: 4L0 907 290 A
Component: ILM HINTEN 2 H05 0060
Revision: AAH05061 Serial number: 002064552-----
Coding: 0003595
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2643B50991558E11343-8073

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4L0 910 591
Component: J_245_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4L0 910 591
Component: J_394_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 4L0 910 591
Component: J_392_EE15_SKB09H10 0180

1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 24
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:03


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 4L0-910-795.lbl
Part No SW: 4L0 910 795 B HW: 4L0 959 794 B
Component: TSG HR H21 0050
Coding: 0035338
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 31695655A89BD9A9D11-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 336 H HW: 4E0 862 335
Component: Handyvorb2 H16 1130
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000007550812
Coding: 0010900
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 285FBB319B41986106F-807D

2 Faults Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 72
Mileage: 179197 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2015.03.02
Time: 10:50:53

00446 - Function Limitation due to Under-Voltage
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100010
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 72
Time Indication: 15


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B490MTL 03-20-2015 09:23 AM

Everything seems to point at the ECM, remove your wipers and plastic dip tray. Then look at your ECM on the passenger side, look for water or corroded pins.

axl3133 03-20-2015 09:51 AM

Thanks, will do. I am also going to check for power and continuity from the J271 main power supply relay socket to the appropriate terminal on the ecm harness to make sure there isnt a problem in between. If there is no problem I can assume its the ECM? such a bummer. Do these fail commonly?

smith2010Q7 03-20-2015 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24667929)
Thanks, will do. I am also going to check for power and continuity from the J271 main power supply relay socket to the appropriate terminal on the ecm harness to make sure there isnt a problem in between. If there is no problem I can assume its the ECM? such a bummer. Do these fail commonly?


Only if it gets wet.

Your fault code Thanks, I will start looking in the manual if I see anything. I am sure I have given you everything in checking power to the ECM.

smith2010Q7 03-20-2015 10:55 AM

Possible Solutions
Check CAN-Databus Wiring/Connectors from/to Engine Control Module
Check Measuring Value Blocks (MVB)
Usually Measuring Value Blocks (MVB) 125+ show the current Communication Status

axl3133 03-20-2015 01:20 PM

Thanks Smith. Yes, I have checked for power going into the main relay and its there. I will check for power getting to the ECM this weekend. Can you elaborate on your previous idea. Which MVB's should I be checking? The various modules to see if they are communicating?

smith2010Q7 03-20-2015 01:21 PM

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I have study your fault codes, you have a losS supply power fault which can be cause by your battery or your CAN BUS.
All of the modules for which you have "no comm" error use CAN-bus to communicate between each other. CAN-bus is two wires, you can recognize them because they are twisted pair to shield from interference. The wires are usually next to each other in the connector and usually same color with different colored stripes.
Try checking the CAN-gateway coding, if it's OK, check the CAN-bus wiring.

Question:
From your notes you replace your battery I believed what you have mention?
Did your reprogram the VCDS system for the ECM to read the new battery?
Is the battery over 12.5v fully charge right now?

You have a code of 01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
004 - No Signal/Comm

Possible Symptoms
Warning Lamp On

Possible Causes
Wiring Harness Issue
Defective Control Module

Possible Solutions
Notes
If the fault is only found in one control module, then most likely that module is the issue. However, if the fault is found several different control modules, then the CAN Gateway could be the issue.

Another signs of a battery problem is code 00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30

00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30: Signal Outside Specifications
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30: Implausible Signal
Possible Causes
Fuse(s) faulty
Wiring/Connectors from/to Control Module faulty
Power Supply (Battery/Generator) faulty

Possible Solutions
Check Fuse(s)
Check/Repair Wiring/Connectors from/to Control Module
Check Power Supply (Battery/Generator)

Special Notes
When found in an individual control module, it's most likely a local source (e.g. wiring/connectors).
When found in multiple control modules at the same time, it's most likely a common source (e.g. ground spot, battery, generator).
Intermittent codes are often stored during low outside temperature when the battery capacity goes down and may be ignored.

Attachment 45790

Attachment 45791

Attachment 45792

Attachment 45793

Attachment 45794

smith2010Q7 03-20-2015 01:37 PM

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I do not if you have this self study talks a little about J533. Plus everything that works with the ECM.

DID I tell you I hate elec. work.

Attachment 45795

axl3133 03-20-2015 01:40 PM

Wow, thanks so much!
I did just replace the battery, that was after the problem, I was under the impression the new battery did not have to be coded? If so I will do it. Battery is fully charged. I will check the gateway coding. Just to go back one post, you mentioned checking the MVBs... Should I be looking for something like this... The J533 (Gateway) has 125 as engine electronics, I should be looking for 1's there correct?

smith2010Q7 03-20-2015 01:56 PM

Sounds like the wiring or Connectors from/to Transmission Control Module (J217) are faulty in some way. That;s where I'd start. You can check in VAGcom - Measuring Value Block (MVB) 125+

those codes point to the TCM. It's listed under 'auto-trans' on VCDS
Click the 'auto trans' button when you are in the main menu.
Possibly water ingress in the TCM / connector, or a broken wire.

That's results from ECU and ABS from your code list. Is VCDS not connecting to TCM? Do you get no connetion error when trying to read TCM?

Under J533 check is part 2 check is the TCU

axl3133 03-20-2015 02:39 PM

Ok, I will check it out in the AM, snowing here again...

axl3133 03-21-2015 11:31 AM

So I was able to communicate individually with all modules on the powertrain CAN BUS. They all showed a "1", connection to the j533 gateway. Including the TCM. However, all of those modules and the gateway show a "0" n the MVB for communication to the engine control unit.

smith2010Q7 03-22-2015 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by axl3133 (Post 24668243)
So I was able to communicate individually with all modules on the powertrain CAN BUS. They all showed a "1", connection to the j533 gateway. Including the TCM. However, all of those modules and the gateway show a "0" n the MVB for communication to the engine control unit.

Was you able to do this test (troubleshoot)at your J533 and from your J533 to your TCM. If you get your ohms check out last step is the ECU is bad.
I believe the dealer is the only can do it cause have to reprogram everything plus your key fobs.

Was you able to update the ecu that you replace your battery and clear all the codes again to see what is coming up, should be about 3 things.

Attachment 45829

Attachment 45830


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