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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 04:48 AM
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Default The Race Store has agreed to refund my money...

less shipping of course. I'm sending the CDA back tomorrow.
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 04:54 AM
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that's cool of them, more money for race fuel now
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 04:55 AM
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So are they just going to discontinue the unit all together?
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 07:59 AM
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Default well thats good...I feel that...

"performance" companies should be under the same restraints as all other businesses about making wild unsubstantiated claims about their products. If you look at all the spurious "health" products sold on TV, you see there's always a disclaimer about "claims not verified".

It's bad enough when someone puts an intake on car in a dyno bay and claims increased airflow (with the hood open and none of the normal airflow that the stock system is utilizing) but to simply make a blanket and ludicrous claim about horsepower OBVIOUSLY without having tested it...there ARE actually laws against it.

I'm ALWAYS skeptical and that's why we did dyno day because I don't believe it unless I see it for myself. Go to Honda world and they SWEAR by those cold air intakes. They're UTTER BS, I've tested them on a race track with sophisticated timing equipment and they cause a MEASURABLE LOSS of performance over the stock system with ducting to the outside of the car. I'm sure if I boxed the CAI in carefully and cut holes in the car etc...etc...I could MATCH the stock intake but that crap is generally pure BS.

Your cars have turbos...think about that. They're electronically controlled and create boost...the whole IDEA of a intake is to "add air" to the engine to boost it like a form of supercharging but you are TURBOCHARGED...you aren't getting any more air than the turbos can force into the engine.
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 08:23 AM
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Great! Good to know they will treat the customer correctly.
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 08:25 AM
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Default "you aren't getting any more air than the turbos can force into the engine."

But at higher rpm ranges where the motor is flowing ~15psi at ~800cfm couldn't you make an arguement that an airbox would help? I think that's where the EVOMS intake actually works... according to Stephen's (12 second papa smurf) dyno results.
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 09:28 AM
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That's good to hear. Add one to the customer service column for them.
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Old Oct 23, 2001 | 10:28 AM
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the CFM that's requested is not available. Obviously if you carefully set up an intake to match the increased airflow that?s going through the system because of the increased boost then you might see a gain but that would either be:

1. a coincidence that it worked
or
2. a carefully designed system that exactly matches the car.

In some cases on the board, #1 happens and occasionally #2 is at work here.

The Race Store product was generic and not tailored to ANY cars in particular. Note with the 996, if you increase intake air you get lean running and lose power...the ECU is "smart" enough to know exactly how much air it's SUPPOSED to have but not "smart" enough to adapt to too much "extra" air. To see any benefit on that engine, you need to chip the ECU to compensate. I'd guess that some intakes happen to match the chips that are on the car but the consumer doesn't really have any way to know which are which.
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