Are they really allowing the use of nitrous oxide in this "S4 Challenge"?
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Are they really allowing the use of nitrous oxide in this "S4 Challenge"?
I mean fer chrissakes, race fuel, now, nitrous?
The stuff works, yes, and it has it's place for the drag/street racer, but isn't this about the "ultimate S4" and not "I can spray more than you and make a bigger number"? It should be about who has the best tuned, well designed turbo system, and the best chassis setup. I can run 11's in any POS car with enough spray. It might only survive one pass, but it can be done, and requires little thought. Using it here is an easy band-aid to get fast times. WEAK.
Please. The 1.8T challenge turned into a joke. Looks like this one will too. May the biggest bottle win...:-(
Have they published, or sent out official rules? Man if I was sending a car from a long distance at a huge expense, and I knew it was going to come down to a shot of nitrous, I'd bag it and not even BOTHER going.
If you ask me, the S4 Challenge has merit if the rules are reasonable:
1) No Nitrous whatsoever
2) Same fuel in each car. From an independent supplier.
3) On the roadcourse, run the same wheels and tires on each car, and use the same driver
4) If it were me, I'd mandate 93 octane fuel, to REALLY make it a "challenge" to be fast. Not just max out the timing and boost on fuel with nearly unlimited headroom.
The stuff works, yes, and it has it's place for the drag/street racer, but isn't this about the "ultimate S4" and not "I can spray more than you and make a bigger number"? It should be about who has the best tuned, well designed turbo system, and the best chassis setup. I can run 11's in any POS car with enough spray. It might only survive one pass, but it can be done, and requires little thought. Using it here is an easy band-aid to get fast times. WEAK.
Please. The 1.8T challenge turned into a joke. Looks like this one will too. May the biggest bottle win...:-(
Have they published, or sent out official rules? Man if I was sending a car from a long distance at a huge expense, and I knew it was going to come down to a shot of nitrous, I'd bag it and not even BOTHER going.
If you ask me, the S4 Challenge has merit if the rules are reasonable:
1) No Nitrous whatsoever
2) Same fuel in each car. From an independent supplier.
3) On the roadcourse, run the same wheels and tires on each car, and use the same driver
4) If it were me, I'd mandate 93 octane fuel, to REALLY make it a "challenge" to be fast. Not just max out the timing and boost on fuel with nearly unlimited headroom.
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The rules were posted and we are abiding by them. If they said no No2 it would not be a
consideration.
Everyone will know who has and who does not. So if car a has No2 and makes more power you can just look at the rest of the results.
Everyone will know who has and who does not. So if car a has No2 and makes more power you can just look at the rest of the results.
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The whole point of the challenge is to see which setup is better...
which is why there is so much freedom to use whatever you want on your car. It seems like people with slower cars are the ones bitching. If they really wanted, the could add nitrous and throw hoosiers on some light *** rims as well.
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As far as wheels and tires.....
I said that because I've seen purely a tire change make 3-4 seconds a lap difference even at a short track like Lime Rock. Get the same wheel, and the same tires, and make everyone run it. That puts the focus more on chassis setup and driver, (hence using one driver) and minimizes the variables.
Street tires and pump gas, and now you have my attention :-)
Street tires and pump gas, and now you have my attention :-)
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I agree and disagree
You have to read between the lines. I personally would like to know how fast an S4 is buck wild and all out, but would take it only as entertainment.
If you think that its wrong to squeeze then the winner in your opinion will be the next car that meets your criteria. Why get upset about a magazine article? They are trying to sell subscriptions and the faster the better for them.
If you think that its wrong to squeeze then the winner in your opinion will be the next car that meets your criteria. Why get upset about a magazine article? They are trying to sell subscriptions and the faster the better for them.
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