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Old Mar 4, 2000 | 01:41 AM
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Default Freedom of religion, speech, and the press; right of assembly

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Old Mar 4, 2000 | 05:52 AM
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Thanks for the civics lesson. Is there a point to your post?
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Old Mar 4, 2000 | 06:32 AM
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You make the forum. You make the rules. The forum isn't a free society. It operates within one.
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Old Mar 4, 2000 | 03:47 PM
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Monitor deletes. What else?
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Old Mar 4, 2000 | 05:55 PM
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Default So set your preferences so that you can see the offending posts

They are still there. Oh you didn't know that? Well maybe you should listen more and talk less :P

You're in somebody else's house. Live by their rules or move on.

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Old Mar 5, 2000 | 03:28 AM
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How can we tell when a post is "moderated but visible"?
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Old Mar 5, 2000 | 09:34 AM
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Default Yes, the monitor deletes but not the government. So your 1st Amendment rights are intact.

This is not a public forum. It is operated by a private entity so your free speech argument does not apply here. Just like you don't have the right to come into my home and start calling me names. I have the right to kick you out of my home.
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Old Mar 5, 2000 | 04:40 PM
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Default The popularity of this forum has enlarged the monitor's ego's and they enjoy exercising power

It's gone to thier heads. In the final analysis, this site/forum is a business. Does anyone understand the business sense of post deletion?
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Yes there is a business sense in deleting posts. To keep this forum as uncluttered and user friendly as possible. The same reasons that shopkeepers keep their aisles clear. If the forum becomes too cluttered with minutia, then people will stop coming to AudiWorld.com. I have seen many forums die because they were not monitored. They become a mess and people stop visiting.
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Old Mar 5, 2000 | 08:04 PM
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Default But we don't hangs signs on our front door telling our guests that they surrender their

rights to speech once they pass through our threshold. We surrender certain rights and liberties when we enter a restaurant or mall or even some housing projects. But mall owners don't hang placards at the entrance informing us of these limitations.


In the case of this forum, I think the intentions are good, but the declaration re the 1st Amendment is overkill: the first amendment itself is not absolute, and already allows for limitations of disruptive, lewd, offensive speech.
And it strikes me as problematic to create a business whose main function in inviting speech, and then restrict that speech. The "space" of the forum is privately owned, but the owners have created a public space. Your home and mine are, indeed, private. A mall is less private. This forum invites, public discussion, and in fact succeeds only if public discussion exists, so I am not at all sure that the forum owners' right to restrict speech is as legally certain as is supposed.

BTW, Jason and the others, I think you're doing a great job, by and large. Honest. And I'm grateful for it. I hope your endevour thrives and flourishes and makes you filthy rich.
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