How much to pay for this 1985 CGT

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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 11:08 AM
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<center><img src="http://wsphotofews.excite.com/005/LV/o4/hn/8560530.jpg"></center><p>Well, I think I may make an offer on the really nice, lightly modded 1985 Coupe GT pictured above. Here's how the current owner described it:

It's an `85 Coupe 5SPD. It has the factory tilt and/or remove sunroof, cruise control, A/C, power steering, power windows & mirrors. It did not come with it originally, but I retrofitted the trip computer (from the later 4KQ and Coupes) and factory switch. It's got nearly 138,000 miles, but all major work has been done in the last 6,000 or so miles. This includes: new Sachs clutch, engine mounts, head gasket, hydraulic valve lifters, timing belt, water pump v-belts & water hoses. A low temp thermostat and fan switch was installed and the cooling system was completely flushed and filled with Audi "G12" (the red stuff they're using on the new cars). When the head gasket was done, I swapped the puny single outlet exhaust manifold for a better flowing, dual output manifold and down pipe from a `90 90. The rest of the exhaust is custom, comprised of Techtonics (VW) components. Sounds sweeeet. I've got friends with VR6s and $700 exhausts that wish their car sounded like my Coupe. Not much else was done to boost horsepower and torque, but the manifold made a surprising difference. It's fun to fool around with the Techtonics adjustable cam gear, but it only shifts the power band, does not increase power. My next step was going to be a Schrick 270 cam. All the tune-up stuff was also done, Blue Igniters ignition wires, Bosch Silver plugs, cap & rotor, fuel filter. I bored the air box a little and put a K&N in. I don't know if it gives me any extra horses, but it sounds cool as hell! From the pictures, you'll notice the dual-beam, European H4/H1 headlamps and the Borbet Type E wheels wrapped in 205/45VR16 Toyo Proxxes FZ4 tires. The suspension is Weitec 40mm springs and TX shocks. It rides a little rough with this set up, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. The braking system was upgraded to Mintex pads, stainless braided hoses and flushed and filled with Ate Super Blue fluid. One thing you wont find anywhere is the factory European rear decor panel with integrated fog light, and the factory switch on the dash. Not much else was done on the inside, except for a handsome Nothele 3-spoke leather steering wheel. All of the work was done either by myself personally, or by a certified Audi technician. I work for an Audi dealership (Classic Automobiles 914-663-2800) and used to work at Rapid Parts for about 4 years. I know this car pretty damn well. Believe me when I tell you it is one of the cleanest B2 Coupes you'll ever come across. The engine bay is cleaner than most of the two year old Audis that I see coming into the dealership. The paint is in excellent shape. The car has never been hit. There is no rust whatsoever. Even the underbody is straight and free of dents. I'm sure there's something that I'm leaving out. I don't think I have to tell you how often I change the oil or what grade of gas I use... I think you get the point by now.
As far as what's wrong:

The passenger side window does not go down. I'm assuming that it needs a new regulator. I've called around and have gotten prices of around $75 - $100 for a used one.

There is a small knocking noise from the front end when that wheel goes over bumps. I haven't fully diagnosed it yet, but I suspect it's a strut bearing.

There is a small exhaust leak. I had one of the techs at my Audi dealership look at it and he said that it looks like the new manifold that I put on has to be retorqued. He said "they do that sometimes." Anyway, he said that it's a matter of removing the airbox and simply tightening the nuts.

A/C doesn't hold freon. I guess it may need some o-rings or maybe a hose, but I was never that interested in getting it working.

Lastly, the beautiful Borbets are about two years (30,000 miles) old and are starting to show their age. There is a small vibration at high speeds from the wheels being slightly bent. I was going to put the original alloys on for the winter and go with a fresh set of 16's in the spring. Other than that everything else is functioning perfectly. It recently passed NYS emissions. Yes original paint. It washed, but not waxed before this shoot.

So, anyone care to comment on the $3,900 asking price. This is WAY above blue book, but the car is far above average for it's age and mileage...but it does need some work. Any/All comments are wanted... Please respond.
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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 04:23 PM
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<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/13040/4000.jpg"></center><p>I 'll offer some advice. I was a successful car saleman for 3 years (which really means I was taught the "skills" to get as high a price for a car as possible - I sell hospital software now and don't miss that @#$%^& at all!).
Anywho -
That is a nice coupe. I paid $2,800 for my 86 4KCSq pictured. It was a little more stock at the time than this coupe but very clean, all records ,etc..
The reality of price on cars like these is that they're worth what the market will bring. In other words, if you like the car, offer the guy $3,000. Negotiate from there. He may wait for more money, you may miss out etc..So, buy it if you like it. Not really much $$ either way as far as cars go, right?
Main thing to test is compression. An "old school" trick to do this easily is to shift into 5th at a rolling 20 mph and apply 3/4 throttle, if the cars pulls steadily up to speed (slowly of course) but doesn't lunge, jerk, or struggle it probably has decent compression.
Overall, these cars are some of the most solid cars of the era. One last thing, it sure is nice to have quattro!?
Good luck!
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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 04:58 PM
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Default Lowerd?

is your car lowerd at all?
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Old Nov 15, 2001 | 08:27 PM
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No. Stock springs. I find the ride is just right. Although the car would look better as well as perform a little more dynamically on a dry track with a dropped, stiffer sport spring.
You see, quattros that are realied upon in snowy conditions as mine are, actually perform MUCH better when there is "some" travel in the suspension. This allows for proper weight transfer to the wheel(s) being called upon to provide grip, such as when you decelerate prior to a corner. Without this modest, controlled shifting of mass, the tire doesn't get the proper weight applied to it to grip.
This is quattro club ice and snow driving 101.

Peace!
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Old Nov 16, 2001 | 03:36 AM
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That is one nice Coupe. He has done about everything you can do to one without swapping in another engine. I'm sure he has far more than his $3800 in it. You certainly couldn't duplicate one for that.
Yes, it is more than book value. Yes, it is worth at least $3200-3500, IMHO. My only concern would be insuring it...if anything would happen to it, you may have a battle on your hands to prove that it is worth that much. Aside from that issue, I think it's a fair price, but I would of course harass him down a bit if possible.
As for quattro, that's just unecessary extra weight
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