Anyone got one? Preferably from out West (Cali, AZ, etc.) without the rusty issues we have here in PA. I have a FWD extra from a parts car but apparently it wont work. Grrrr. Just my luck.

 

Good luck, this item is NLA from the dealer. Go to car-parts.com and look for front subframe. Quattro and FWD are different.
I just replaced this item this spring with a very mint one from a junkyard in OR. Last check only 5 existed in the entire USA so be quick if you want to get one.
Depending on where you are there was one I was going to buy from a yard in south Utah but the place was hard to get in touch with and I got tired of waiting so I bought one from Oregon.
Might be a few that showed up since I bought mine but unlikely.

I see your in Pittsburgh [Go Pens], 3 were from PA. Your shipping for such a large and heavy item will be high from the west coast.

1995
Undercarriage Crossmember
Audi Series 90 A 95922 $125 Southwest Auto Recycling USA-UT(Washington) Request_Quote 1-800-292-2607

I just checked, few around. This one might be a better choice.

1993
Undercarriage Crossmember
Audi Series 90 Front, Quattro,GOOD CONDITION A 6417P $100 Maroney's Foreign Car and Parts USA-PA(Smithton)
800-245-7278 / 724-872-6316

It's graded A, close to you and only 100 bucks.


1993
Undercarriage Crossmember
Audi Series 90 90,Fr, Quattro- S0910 $Call DeNaples Auto Parts USA-PA(Dunmore) Request_Quote 1-800-426-9696

Only 4 round now listed.....two in PA, one in UT and one in CA, that's it.

Hope this helps.

 

Not sure what part you are looking up, but I see 20 of them on car-part.com.
Note that not all wrecking yards list complete stock, so there are likely many more than that available throughout the U.S. That said, I am hitting roadblocks with yards who do not wish to ship this thing. Just how large it it? A couple places were talking truck freight on a pallet, which I didn't think this piece was that huge. I think it is just a pain in the **** getting it out, and they don't want the hassle. I know I wouldn't.
Apparently there are two different subframes for the Quattros. The dividing line according to my Audi parts guy is early '93. the VIN separating the two is 8C-N-230-000. Not sure what exactly the difference is, as he is telling me the front and rear bushings use the same part # for both early and late subframes.

 

Check again, they list rear and front and only quattro front works. Once you reduce it down to just quattro front you will notice around 4 or 5 exist right now, the same amount when I looked back in May.

The part is bulky, not super heavy but around 3 feet long by around 4 feet wide. Not an item they will box up for you generally therefore it's just strapped to a pallet and shipped freight.

Last I recall through ETKA 93-95 are the same for the front, B4's were not made in 1992.

Bushings are expensive to purchase unless you go with Meyle aftermarket, the problem is you need a machine shop with the right press to do the job.

I got lucky and it appeared the bushings might have been replaced before as they were in great shape as well as the transmission mounts so the shop put it in as is.

If any yard on car-parts has a 93-95 Q in stock and they have not sold the subframe then it exists but that's the issue, not many 90Q's are in yard right now across the US, this not a common model.

 

Well, given your posts and time here, I think I'll just agree with you! ---You know way more than I about these.
I did a search on car-part for "engine cradle," and that's where all the hits came up. That said, I bought the local one, and they will take it off. I'm supposed to pick it up Monday or Tuesday. What I am hearing, is that the early '93 cradle uses the 10mm bolts, and the later uses the 12mm.
When you said you need "the right press" to do the job, I thought oh no, not a special tool. This could be bad.

 

OK I fired up the etka and this is the deal:

If your VIN is before 8c-N-230 then your # is 8A0 199 213L
If your VIN is after 8c-N-230 then it's 8A0 199 213BC

First VIN is B3 frame 88-92, other VIN is 93-95

They both show up at gvap but are NLA, if they were not MSRP is around 1K.

Bushings.......both versions have different versions for their bushings as they are different in some ways so they can't be switched.

If you want, take the frame, sand the rust and buy some POR15 chassis black rust spray for around $20 a can and paint the frame to preserve it from any future rust.

I asked my 35 year Audi master mechanic about doing the bushings, even he has never had to do them as they generally last for ages unless they are really dry rotted or cracking. He told me they are a major PITA to press in and out.

First VIN they are M10x75, second M12x85

 

Apparently what happened, is that the early B4 90s used the B3 subframe? When I went to the Audi dealer to sort this out, he told me 93s used two different subframes. The car this is going into is a '95, so the late version is the one I need. The '93 that this subframe is coming out of is WAUEK58C4PA000130. I'm not certain if this will help shed light on the situation.
The Audi Parts dept tells me all B4s are calling for the same part # on the bushings for front and rear. Which sort of hit me strange given the 10mm bolts used on the early versions--yet still using the same bushing.
I crawled up under my car for the first time today after buying it, and this subframe is so bad on the pass side that pulling the wheel lugs pulled the whole tire rearward. How this car stayed together for the ride home is a miracle. There are plates welded on the driver side of the subframe, but that passenger side is swiss cheese and completely rotted.
While at the dealer, he ran the specs on my VIN, and it is a Sport model. One of the codes stipulates that my car did not get the wax dip for the body. Perhaps this explains the rust? Overall the body appears tight, and underneath the gas tank shields are falling apart, and the mid muffler is gone and its heat shield is crumbling.
Mechanically everything appears tight, but the rear end lock isn't working. There is a vacuum operated servo on the rear diff that isn't moving when the rear diff button is pushed. The metal shields on the servo are rotted. One of the 3 bolts holding the shield is being difficult. I am hoping I can get that servo apart and change out the O-rings as it will be a tough item to source.

 

Don't be alarmed, the diff lock often does not work due to age and in reality it's not needed. I have never had to use mine and the only reason you would want to lock all 4 is if you were really stuck. Quattro does the trick just fine.
Sounds like somebody tried to fix the frame by welding some metal onto it?

The VIN you posted WAUEK58C4PA000130, P comes after N so the front subframe will work just fine, it's correct.

As mentioned if the bushings are still solid just get new bolts and toss it in, you will never notice the difference.

The shields in the rear above the exhaust are usually rusted to the point they are paper thin and the nuts holding them on are rusted to the point they will snap off. As I recall the bolts holding these shields are externally welded therefore if you break the bolt you would have to tap the hole, not a fun job seeing as you can't access the head since it's inside the frame.

All 90's had hot wax sealant on the body and a think it was a 17 step anti-rust process. The sub frame is not part of the main frame and did not get any wax that I know of. Mine was rusted on the passenger side as well, I had a fist sized hole but the driver side was fine. Strange.

Audi's have the best rust proofing bar none but if you live in the salt belt and don't keep it clean even the best proofing will eventually fail.

It takes a lot of salt to destroy the unibody, it's usually the fender edges from chips that start to rust and the sub, axles and everything else.

 

Decoded Audi VIN Results
VIN: WAUEK58C4PA000130
Digit(s) Parameter Code(s) Meaning
1-2 Country WA Germany
3 Manufacturer U Audi
4-6 Blanks EK5 Only used on USA VINs.
7-8 Vehicle Type 8C B4 Platform, Audi 80 Saloon & Avant including quattro variants 1992 - 1996, Audi S2 Avant, S2 Saloon and RS2 Avant 1994 - 1996
9 Check/Blank 4 -
10 Model Year P 1993
11 Factory A Built in Ingolstadt, Germany
12-17 Chassis Number 000130 Serial Number 000130

R was 1994 and S was 1995.

 

01. W - Germany, country of manufacture
02. A - Manufacturer, Audi
03. U - Passenger Car, Audi
04. E - Car Line Series
05. K - Engine Type
06. 5 - Restraint System
07. 8 - Modell Line Up
08. C - Modell Line Up
09. 4 - VIN Check Digit
10. P - Vehicle Model Year
11. A - Assembly Plant (A - Ingolstadt N - Neckarsulm)
12. 0 - Serial Number
13. 0 - Serial Number
14. 0 - Serial Number
15. 1 - Serial Number
16. 3 - Serial Number
17. 0 - Serial Number


4t - Car Line Series
A - 100 4-Door Sedan (1992-94)
A - 90 Cabriolet (1995)
B - 4000 2-Door Sedan Coupe (1983)
B - 2-Door Sedan Coupe (1984-87)
B - V8 Quattro Sedan (1992-94)
B - 90/100 Sedan (1992-94)
B - 90 Sedan (1995)
B - 90 Cabriolet (1994)
C - Quattro 2-Door Sedan
C - 90 Sedan Quattro (1995)
D - 4000 4-Door Wagon (1983)
D - 100 Quattro 4-Door Sedan (1989-92)
D - 90CS/100CS (1992-94)
D - 90 Sport (1995)
E - 80 4-Door Sedan (1989-92)
E - 200 Quattro 4-Door Wagon (1989-92)
E - 90/100 Quattro (1992-94)
E - 90 Sport Quattro (1995)
F - 5000 4-Door Sedan (1983-88)
F - 100 Wagon (1992-94)
F - A6 (1995)
G - 90 4-Door Sedan (1988-92)
G - 100 4- Door Wagon (1989-92)
G - Quattro 2-Door Coupe (1990)
G - A6 Quattro (1995)
H - Turbo Equipped Model (1983 - 88)
H - 90 Quattro 4 - Door Sedan (1988 - 92)
H - 200 4 - Door Sedan (1989 - 92)
H - S4 Quattro (1992 - 94)
H - A6 Wagon (1995)
J - A6 Wagon Quattro (1995)
K - Quattro 4 - Door Sedan
K - S6 (1995)

5 - Engine Type
1983 -87 4000/Coupe Series
A - 1.7L 74 HP (1983)
A - 1.8L 84 - 107 BHP (1984-87)
A - 2.2L 100 HP (1984 - 87)
B - 2.2L 100 HP (1983)
B - 2.2L 110 - 115 HP (1984 - 87)
C - 1.6L 52 HP (Diesel)
1983 -88 5000 Series
B - 2.2L 100HP (GAS)
C - 2.2L 130HP Turbo (GAS)
G - 2.0L 67HP (Diesel)
1988 - 94 80/90 Series
B - 2.0L 4 Cylinder
C - 2.3L 5 Cylinder
J - 2.8L V6 Federal
K - 2.8L V6 California
1994 Cabriolet Series
L - 2.8L V6
1989 - 94 100 / 200 Series
C - 2.3L 5 Cylinder (100 Models)
E - 2.2L 5 Cylinder Turbo (200 Models)
J - 2.8L V6
K - 2.8L V6
1990 - 94 Coupe Quattro & V8
C - 2.3L 5 Cylinder
E - 3.6L V8
W - 4.2L V8
1992 - 94 S4 Quattro
P - 2.3L 5 Cylinder
R - 2.3L 5 Cylinder
1995 All Models
A,B,C,K,L - 172 HP 2.8L V6

6 - Restraint System
0 - Active
2 - Passive
4 - Motorized Belts
5 - Air Bag (Driver) Active Belts (Passenger)
6 front & side airbags with manual seat belts
8 - Driver & Passenger Air Bag
9 passive manual seat belts