Settle a debate. Is lift-throttle oversteer a legitimate technique or a useless gimmick?
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Settle a debate. Is lift-throttle oversteer a legitimate technique or a useless gimmick?
I had a guy at MBWorld tell me: (1) lift throttle oversteer and trail braking are crude, dangerous maneuvers that will not reduce lap times, and (2) he's driven and raced every car ever made on every track ever paved from the beginning of time and through the next decade, so he's right and I'm both wrong and stupid.
Thoughts?
I'm basing my view on actual experience where lifting throttle mid-turn rotated the car and facilitated hitting at or near the apex when I would otherwise have overshot and messed up the next 2 turns. (References would be nice since this guy basically invented auto racing.)
Thoughts?
I'm basing my view on actual experience where lifting throttle mid-turn rotated the car and facilitated hitting at or near the apex when I would otherwise have overshot and messed up the next 2 turns. (References would be nice since this guy basically invented auto racing.)
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crude ...dangerous manuevers? bahahaha...(John/TSR..another good one...)
to get cars to rotate..you lift ...sometimes you accelerate..it all depends on your setup..the conditions...tire pressures...lots of stuff. I just love that trail braking is dangerous.
Where is John/TSR when you need him...
Where is John/TSR when you need him...
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Useless? I use lift-throttle-oversteer and trail-braking all the time
They are completely legitimate car control techniques!
That said, I'm often using lift-throttle oversteer to correct a line a should have gotten right in the first place...
That said, I'm often using lift-throttle oversteer to correct a line a should have gotten right in the first place...
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Here's the thread. The guru is "spr."
Quote:
<i>Lifting throttle is definitely improper driving technique. Trailbraking is taught but it is crude, dangerous, and really not as fast. Sooner or later with trailbraking you're going to be too hot into a corner think you can trail brake into it and then apply too much braking. The car will straighten out and off you'll go.
Whatever technique works for you... fine; but it will be slower and that's what it's really about right? Before I get flamed, know that I have been through many racing schools front, rear, and mid engine, and have a couple of dedicated race cars etc, so don't get offended. BTW my first race school I was in a professional drivers group and I beat every student and the instructor when I was 17, so maybe I am not the right person to talk to. Further when I had my stock 911 996 at the track I beat fully prepped gt2's gt3's 360's, an andial 993tt, flipped 996tt turbos and an NSX fully done with everything including supercharger driven by a professional drivers.</i><ul><li><a href="http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170105">It ain't AudiWorld.</a></li></ul>
<i>Lifting throttle is definitely improper driving technique. Trailbraking is taught but it is crude, dangerous, and really not as fast. Sooner or later with trailbraking you're going to be too hot into a corner think you can trail brake into it and then apply too much braking. The car will straighten out and off you'll go.
Whatever technique works for you... fine; but it will be slower and that's what it's really about right? Before I get flamed, know that I have been through many racing schools front, rear, and mid engine, and have a couple of dedicated race cars etc, so don't get offended. BTW my first race school I was in a professional drivers group and I beat every student and the instructor when I was 17, so maybe I am not the right person to talk to. Further when I had my stock 911 996 at the track I beat fully prepped gt2's gt3's 360's, an andial 993tt, flipped 996tt turbos and an NSX fully done with everything including supercharger driven by a professional drivers.</i><ul><li><a href="http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170105">It ain't AudiWorld.</a></li></ul>