Explain the "Big Difference" between Audi and VW (long)
Down below there is a post about how there's such a big difference between the two. I guess you could say that I'm getting perturbed about the way some people on this website downplay VW's. Just what makes the A4 that much better than the Passat?
I'm currently in a B5 Passat and I'm looking into the A4. I'll be loosing about 4 inches in leg room for the backseat riders and it feels like a couple inches in width. I'm 6 foot and 215 pounds. I love the look of the A4, but I'm concerned about how comfortable I'll be. Plus, I've been lurking here for a month or two and I've heard quite a bit bad press from you guys about your cars. Bad sunroofs, bad dealership service, radio problems, etc. I've not had one and I mean not one problem with my VW. Over 60K now. I've test driven both the quattro and the front-trak and have not been "wowed". Even at the Audi dealership, the salesperson even told me that the Passat and A4 are basically the same. So I'm thinking of just getting a new Passat 1.8T loaded with front spoiler, side skirts, rear diffuser, sport springs, etc. I can get all this for about the same as the A4 1.8T Front-trak. I know about the service warranty. I like it. Definitely a selling point. But, I am looking for real responses. I want to be sold on the A4.
However, I have a fire extinguisher to battle the flames.
Warranty, Interior Material Build Quality, Exterior Paint Quality...
But it all depends on presonal preference... IMO the new A4 is a better looking car. The passat is just now finally using the old A4 B5 body so it's like a new car but old styling? Just make sure your final decision is based on your personal preference.
I disagree, the two main differences are QUATTRO and Prestige.......
I have had multiple VW, two passats, and three Jettas and the warranty is now the same, the build quality from vw is up to Audi standards, they both have squeaks here and there. The main difference to me has been the quattro...IT ROCKS!! and the prestige, you get treated as a much better customer than you would at a VW dealer because the VW salespeople are looking for volume sales while Audi salesmen give a little more quality.
2004 A4 Avant Avus Silver/Ebony, 1.8tqm6
The dealer was telling you something that isnt true... the passat is on the B5 platform, the A4 is a totally new platform that isnt used on any other car... the A4 is A LOT safer... look at euro NCAP figures... this is scientifically documented.
As for handling, I suppose its down to the person, but I definitely find the A4 to be much taughter, even in non sport.
As for reliability, its the ignition coils which have caused most of the discontent here, shouldnt be a problem in this years models.
Squeaks and rattles, there have been some issues with the sunroof and rear seats.... however, other squeaks tend to be spread out..as you would expect in any line up with lots of cars being produced, there are none in our 13 month old car (apart from one which ive heard occasionally on hard acceleration... and im not sure if thats something lose in the glove box, havent got round to checking yet.)
Ive heard a lot more squeaks in other cars, this was touted as a strong point... it seems to be those two issues on the whole which makes squeaks and have solutions.
You really have to push to take advantage of quattro, but even the front trac handles well, I mean, well, no torque steer, well balanced, infact amongst the best balanced FWD out there.
In the end only you can tell what you like the feel of.
its newer design, fresher, interior is better quality, passat is getting dated and soon to be replaced.
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Having come from a FWD Passat, the difference is not as great as a lot of you would like to think. The interior of the Audi is perhaps cleaner and more "plush" but certainly not leaps and bounds beyond the Passat. As much as one would like to justify the heavier price of the A4 by arguing that it is entirely different and significantly better than VW's current products, I would have to disagree. To be honest, when people ask me what kind of car I drive I often find myself saying VW. Not that I'm not proud of the fact that I now have an A4, I just don't have the disdain that many fellow audiworld'ers have for VW.
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Another thing that comes to mind in regards to Audi problems...
If you hang around any forum long enough you will find problems with the cars. This is the largest audi forum in the world so of course problems are bound to be discussed. Thats how recalls and various issues get addressed, with the help of thousands of car enthusiasts. Do you belong to any VW forums? I'm sure theres plenty of VW problem issues being discussed on those forums too. I love VWs, just thinkin out loud here.
I drove a Passat GLX auto without 4Motion and after driving an A4 3.0 CVT, the differences are night and day. The GLX felt like my 99 A6 Quattro in acceleration-i.e. sluggish. While the fit and finish on the Passat was excellent, the A4 is much nicer and yes, the back seat in the Passat has more leg room but I can live with the reduced space. Here in Dallas, I've had no bad service experience with either Audi dealers so I can't complain about that. The bottom line difference in cost is around $4K which I'll gladly pay for a better warranty and service experience. Just my 2 cents worth.
I agree with the statement that the cars are almost the same...
I have both and the Passat does have a nice interior. Real leather as apossed to leatherette. But the statement about quality is 100% false. The VW is always at the dealer. Window switch, airbag light, transmission three times. I have to say, with as many problems as you read about the Audi, it doen't compare to the nightmare that is VW service. My wife had a Bettle before, same deal. I was a bit shaken after the experience, but I ended up getting the Passat, and its the same story. I've had my A4 for a year now, and its chipped, has suspension, and a host of other aftermarket goodies, and I have never had a problem. This my friend is the difference.
2002 A4 1.8t Q
Hella HID kit
Front, rear, sides
Rear wing w/ third brake light
Rear roof wing
or 19x8.5" Oettinger RZ
Yokohama AVS Sport 245 35 19
and 235 35 19 for RZ
Neuspeed Race springs
Tuned by PES GIAC chip
360mm and 6 piston caliper HP Racing brakes
MB Quart QSD 216 component speakers
MB Quart Premium 15" sub
Lightning Audio dry cell battery
Lightning Audio S5.700 amp
I'm sure that I've been numbed of the complaints on ClubB5 because I've seen them so much. Especially about service. I just think that if I'm buying a "high end" car that there shouldn't be problems with the radio and sunroof. Very basic stuff that even Hyundai doesn't neccesarily have problems with.
My wife and I had never owned and Audi or VW, and I was intent on buying the Passat (although visually I much preferred the Avant). I wanted the 1.8T engine, but also wanted AWD. VWs 4Motion was only available with the 6cyl.
We went to a VW/Audi dealer to test drive the Passat. We liked the Passat. I was functional, and that was what we were looking for. We then decided to test drive the A4 Avant "just for kicks". Most decisions are based on first impressions, and our first impression of the Avant interior sold us. IMO the Passat is not in the same ballpark as the Avant. Materials, styling, function left the Passat feeling bland. The real selling point for us was STANDARD AWD. It comes down to personal preference, you need to get what you feel matches your needs.
We factory ordered our Avant the next day. Got it three months later. Have not stopped smiling since.
'03 A4 Avant 1.8T
although the switchgear looked similar, the cars are night and day. whether the a4 is worth the extra money is a personal matter, but to me it is. ride quality, interior quality, fit and finish, paint, i could go on.