Go Back   AudiWorld Forums > Audi Models > Audi A4 > A4 (B8 Platform) Discussion
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


A4 (B8 Platform) Discussion Discussion forum for the B8 Audi A4 produced from 2008.5-present

2.0T vs. 3.2 comparison graph.

Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-01-2008, 09:08 PM   #1
gk1
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 14154
 
gk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,087
Default 2.0T vs. 3.2 comparison graph.

This is based on best available information at the time. It's just a simple graph of the HP and torque numbers.

I figured I would share since I have not seen a graph for the new 2.0T and rarely ever see the two main engine choices for any given model overlapped for comparison.



I've thrown in the '07 2.0T for grins, since that's what I currently drive. (green)

The 3.2 numbers are from the offical spec graphs on AudiWorld resources. (blue)

The new 2.0T is based on currently available information regarding the new 2.0T at 211HP and 258 lb-ft of torque. (red)

The numbers work out to the new 2.0T having an average 10% advantage below 4500 RPM and the 3.2 having a 20% advantage above 5000 RPM. (not counting that the 3.2 will likely be able to rev higher than the 2.0T.)


Now for the opinion part.

With the new 2.0T's extremely low torque plateau it looks like it will function similar to a diesel, and looks like it will fall off quickly above 4500 RPM. Coming extremely close to the torque characteristics of the B7 2.0T at 5000 RPMs and up.

On the flip side the 3.2 is at an unquestionable torque disadvantage up to 4500 RPM, but then continues to pull decent torque out to 6000+ RPM.

Overall I'm sure both cars will be extremely close in straight line performance since the 3.2 will likely weigh more than the 2.0T.

I'd certainly like to drive both before passing judgement. So far I can only compare the A5 3.2 to my current B7 2.0T whereby the 3.2 is the better engine choice for me.
__________________

2015 S6 Quartz Gray
Black, Carbon, Night, Cold, DA, ACC, 20's

2014 SQ5 Glacier White
Black Nappa, Carbon, B&O, NAV, 21's

Past:
2012 S4 S-Tronic Monsoon Gray
2008 A6 3.2Q S-Line Daytona Gray
2007 A4 2.0T S-Line Ice Silver
2001 S4 Nogaro Blue
gk1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2008, 09:20 PM   #2
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 45047
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,360
Default Very informative! I have been curious about the two engines overlappin too. Thanks for posting.

__________________
2003 1.8T CVT
Brilliant Black, Beige
Premium
Sport
xenons
polished tips
SFV A4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 05:38 AM   #3
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 38132
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,894
Default RPM & MPH?

At what RPM (manual & auto) will the engines turn at speed (MPH)?

60
70
80
90

When my wife had her 225HP 1.8T's TT's it seemed to me that 65MPH was around 2,350 in 6th (but my memory could be fading. . . )

I ordered the 4 due to the torque, thinking the 3.2 would not be significantly "better" for what will be about a $5,000+ premium.
markcincinnati is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 05:47 AM   #4
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 17024
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 8,215
Default In short: The 3.2 costs $5000 more and only performs better at > 5000 RPM

The 3.2 is going to be 10% of their sales volume, if that, especially once you throw in the price of fuel now.
__________________


2001.5 1.8TQMCX
Digital Audio Powered by Phatnoise

"Hokie, what makes you standout from so many other AWOT posters?"

"Well Bill I bring three uncommon things to AWOT: I have a degree, a job, and I actually own an Audi."
Hokie_Audi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 06:05 AM   #5
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 89080
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,620
Default and once you chip that 2.0T, bye-bye 3.2L

__________________
Sig Begins---

"...We Reject as False the Choice between Our Safety and Our Ideals"
-Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America in his Jan 20, 2009 Inaugural address to the nation



Handy Links:
Stoney's A6 FAQ
TT MkI FAQ
Vag Com Tool Locator
Ross Tech Vag-Com

“I'd put my money on solar energy… I hope we don't have to wait til oil and coal run out before we tackle that.”
—Thomas Edison, in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone, March 1931

Current stable:

2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro

2002 Audi S6 Avant Quattro

1980 BMW 635csi Euro w/dogleg 5 speed

..and soon....

a 1973 Porsche 911 Targa (CIS) which I will be restoring.
Rocky-in-Connecticut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 06:15 AM   #6
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 45534
 
B7Quattro Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hunt Valley, MD
Posts: 4,487
Default Good info..thanks for posting!

__________________
Current Vehicles:
'15 Volvo V60 T6 RD
'15 Volvo S60 T6 RD
'05.5 A4Q Avant 2.0T
'91 Yam FZR-1000

Past:
'11 A4 2.0t Cvt
'97 A8Q 4.2
'96 A6Q 2.8
'95 Mitsu Diamante LS
'95 Ford Probe GT
'92 Kaw ZX-6
'87 Acura Integra LS
'80 Toy Corolla SR5
'80 Triumph TR7
B7Quattro Pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 06:20 AM   #7
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 17024
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 8,215
Default I haven't seen anything about the final drive ratios yet...

Usually the autos work out to a fairly long final drive so that'll keep the Revs low at speed.
__________________


2001.5 1.8TQMCX
Digital Audio Powered by Phatnoise

"Hokie, what makes you standout from so many other AWOT posters?"

"Well Bill I bring three uncommon things to AWOT: I have a degree, a job, and I actually own an Audi."
Hokie_Audi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 06:24 AM   #8
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 17024
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 8,215
Default Yep, and for the first time it's bye-bye from the get go. Audi needs to ditch the NA V6 platform...

It's always been a poor value in terms of performance relative to its segment peers and the turbo I4 offerings, even more so now.
__________________


2001.5 1.8TQMCX
Digital Audio Powered by Phatnoise

"Hokie, what makes you standout from so many other AWOT posters?"

"Well Bill I bring three uncommon things to AWOT: I have a degree, a job, and I actually own an Audi."
Hokie_Audi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 06:35 AM   #9
doo
Member
Account #: 26864
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,971
Default 2nd

__________________
NYC_SpeedRacer
doo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 07:06 AM   #10
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 38132
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,894
Default The heck of it is the T costs less and gets better MPG's while climbing the RPM's, too.

I love the 3.2 in my '05 A6, Audi needed to "mildly" bi-turbo this thing about 18-24 months ago.

A mild bi-turboing of the 3.2 would probably have yielded nearly 300HP and quite possibly OVER 300 foot pounds from under 2,000 RPM to perhaps over 5,500. BMW keeps putting that nifty little (?) "35" engine in every damn car they sell, practically.

I drove the X6 this weekend, already drove the 335 and 535, damn the 135 must be a friggin' rocket. Meanwhile the fine as wine 3.2L soldiers on, a great engine, but sadly outgunned. My wife's new X3 has the bumped 3.0 engine and it is now lazily putting out 260HP and 225 ft lbs. The only reason, I can think of for Audi to "lag" (no pun intended) behind in this one area is, uh, er, I can't think of one. The 2.7T in 2004 (I know it was thirsty and dirty, bla bla bla) was a delightful, powerful engine -- even in the end of the line 2004 A6 SLine 2.7T incarnation.

Of all the car companies that can claim deep skills in turbo charging, Audi has to be in the top tier -- so what's the deal with this new A4 2.0T and 3.2L -- it has to be marketing, not engineering prowess.

Hell, just buy a new A4, debadge it, "mildly" chip it, etc and don't tellanyone -- they'll never know you didn't pony up for the extra 2 cylinders.

Me -- I wouldn't even bother to chip the thing. Hopefully Audi will bring the 3.0TFSI or 3.0SFSI or twin-charged V6 to market as the A4, NOT the S4 with the accompanying bump in MSRP.
markcincinnati is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 08:01 AM   #11
AudiWorld Uber User
Account #: 18302
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 54,449
Default hmm.... $5000 for the 3.2 or $500 for a chip for the 2.0t?

__________________
nirad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 08:07 AM   #12
gk1
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 14154
 
gk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,087
Default Kinda like the RS4 costs $20,000 more than an S4 and only performs better at > 5000 RPM. :-)

I know, I know the RS4 has a lot more other goodies in it than the S4 whereas the B8 2.0T and 3.2 will be identically equipped except for the engine.

All the points are valid. Based on past sales volumes and high gas prices the 2.0T will undoubtedly outsell the 3.2 as usual.

I really just wanted to compare the two engines based purely on the HP and torque numbers, not peoples perception of what will sell and which is truly better for their needs/wants.

My honest opinion from the graphs is the 2.0T does have a major torque advantage from 1500 RPM to 3000 RPM, but beyond that the margin is too close to be concerned (15 lb-ft) and then above 5000 RPM the 3.2 takes over.

We'll have to see when the mpg ratings come out, but I get the sense the 2.0T will not get as large a bump in city MPG. Audi claims a 15% mileage improvement over the outgoing 2.0T, but my money is on more improvement in highway mileage.

B7 2.0T 19/22/27
A5 3.2 18/21/27
My guess at the B8 2.0T
B8 2.0T 21/25/32

We'll see what we see when all the information is out and the cars actually arrive to be driven.
__________________

2015 S6 Quartz Gray
Black, Carbon, Night, Cold, DA, ACC, 20's

2014 SQ5 Glacier White
Black Nappa, Carbon, B&O, NAV, 21's

Past:
2012 S4 S-Tronic Monsoon Gray
2008 A6 3.2Q S-Line Daytona Gray
2007 A4 2.0T S-Line Ice Silver
2001 S4 Nogaro Blue
gk1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 08:18 AM   #13
gk1
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 14154
 
gk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,087
Default Based on past information...true.

No know pricing yet for the US B8 and no chips available for the new 2.0T until they are developed.

(BTW the difference between identically equipped B7 2.0T and 3.2 was closer to $4000.)
__________________

2015 S6 Quartz Gray
Black, Carbon, Night, Cold, DA, ACC, 20's

2014 SQ5 Glacier White
Black Nappa, Carbon, B&O, NAV, 21's

Past:
2012 S4 S-Tronic Monsoon Gray
2008 A6 3.2Q S-Line Daytona Gray
2007 A4 2.0T S-Line Ice Silver
2001 S4 Nogaro Blue
gk1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 10:10 AM   #14
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 43277
 
DeMOROlized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: GTA, Canuckistan
Posts: 4,778
Default Purely personal speculation here...

I get a funny feeling that the detuned 290hp supercharged 3.0L V6 that's going to the A6 will eventually find it's way to the A4 & A5 as well.
__________________
1st Ring: 2002 Dolphin Grey B6 A4 1.8TqMS
2nd Ring: 2006
Moro Blue B7 A4 2.0TqMS
3rd Ring: 2010 Phantom Black B8 A5 2.0TqM S Line
4th Ring: TBD
DeMOROlized is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 10:28 AM   #15
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 38132
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,894
Default I went on line and the difference is $4,300 for the 3.2 vs 2.0T today

markcincinnati is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 10:42 AM   #16
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 38132
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,894
Default Re: I went on line and the difference is $4,300 for the 3.2 vs 2.0T today

markcincinnati is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 11:45 AM   #17
gk1
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 14154
 
gk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,087
Default Yup, the difference decreases the more options selected.

Both well optioned (S-Line, Premium, Met paint, Conv, Nav, Bluetooth, heated front seats then the difference is only $4,150.

Comparing base prices there is a $6000 difference, but the base 2.0 doesn't come with the same level of options as the base 3.2.
__________________

2015 S6 Quartz Gray
Black, Carbon, Night, Cold, DA, ACC, 20's

2014 SQ5 Glacier White
Black Nappa, Carbon, B&O, NAV, 21's

Past:
2012 S4 S-Tronic Monsoon Gray
2008 A6 3.2Q S-Line Daytona Gray
2007 A4 2.0T S-Line Ice Silver
2001 S4 Nogaro Blue
gk1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 12:05 PM   #18
gk1
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 14154
 
gk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,087
Default I'm doubtful since the uptuned version will be in the S4.

The 290HP 3.0T will likely be in the A6/Q5 at some point. I'm speculating if you want the 3.0T in a B8 you'll have to spring for the higher power version in the S4....at least in the US.

It's very unlikley Audi will offer two different HP 3.0Ts in the B8 A4 platform in the US and only forced induction motors for the B8.

That's my speculation anyway. Hopefully I'm wrong.
__________________

2015 S6 Quartz Gray
Black, Carbon, Night, Cold, DA, ACC, 20's

2014 SQ5 Glacier White
Black Nappa, Carbon, B&O, NAV, 21's

Past:
2012 S4 S-Tronic Monsoon Gray
2008 A6 3.2Q S-Line Daytona Gray
2007 A4 2.0T S-Line Ice Silver
2001 S4 Nogaro Blue
gk1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 04:05 PM   #19
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 133175
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,066
Default only dealbreaker right now is Quattro. For those who needed it, get the 3.2. Now we can get 2.0t!

AutoUnionQ7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 04:08 PM   #20
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 133175
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,066
Default ^^ never mind, I thought this was the A3 forum :/

AutoUnionQ7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2008, 04:08 PM
AudiWorld
Audi R8




Paid Advertisement
 
 
 
Reply

Tags
20, 20t, 27t, 2ot, 2t, 32, a4, audi, cabriolet, comparison, forum, graph, hp, v6, vs


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Join AudiWorld

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:36 PM.


Copyright 2014 AudiWorld.com Audi Enthusiast Community