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Old 09-11-2013, 11:22 AM   #1
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Note: also see post #14 for some clarifications..

I responded to someone who asked about how ADS works in another forum and thought it might be useful here as well, particularly for newer owners.

In a nutshell (for non-active suspension models) - applies to most U.S. later/current ADS equipped models:

The ADS has four driving modes in the MMI:
Comfort
Auto
Dynamic
Individual

The first three automatically set software directed maps for the throttle response, transmission gearing, steering effort, auto cruise control (if equipped) and seat belt tensioner. Individual allows for setting each of the those parameters to Comfort, Auto or Dynamic mode.

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Comfort will provide for best fuel economy and smoother driving by changing upshifting gears sooner/downshifting later, a more sedate throttle response (more travel to the gas pedal for a given amount of gas if you will) and a lighter steering effort. Also a more "relaxed" seat belt tensioner. (See below for ACC).

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will provide a sportier feel by holding in each gear longer, up or down, spoitier throttle (more fuel applied for less pedal travel), a greater steering effort and a more aggressive seat belt tensioner. (See below for ACC).

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will vary somewhat in between the two modes above but note that in all modes, the parameters will vary in a predetermined amount depending on driver input, speed, etc..

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can set the parameters of each of the ADS Modes above to taste.

Cars equipped with ACC (Automatic Cruise Control), the Comfort, Auto and Dynamic settings will determine the rate at which the car will speed up or slow down as the detected car in front changes its speed (and based on the ACC distance setting on the steering wheel stalk). ACC can be set in the Individual mode as well.

Note that the D/S selection on the gearshift lever will override ADS settings, i.e. D=Auto and S=Dynamic modes for throttle and gear mapping only; ACC (if equipped), steering and seat belt tensioners remain defaulted to the ADS setting in the MMI. (There is no difference for throttle and gear mapping in D or S from respective Auto or Dynamic settings in the MMI).

Audi S models (and many models in ROW) may include additional ADS settings (adaptive suspension for example).

Final note. Sometimes you'll read in the forums that in S mode or Dynamic that the car is faster than D mode, Auto or comfort. It may seem faster but it's actually not so. There isn't a magic, hidden extra 50 HP with S or Dynamic modes (which would be nice but..no). Because the gas pedal is more sensitive to input, it provides more gas if the pedal pressed the same amount as in Auto or D modes making it appear faster in less than full throttle acceleration. If you are in any mode and you floor it off the line all the way to 70 mph, the elapsed times will be the same. Full throttle when the gears are not shifting until red line overrides any ADS or shifter mode.
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Note that the D/S selection on the gearshift lever will override ADS settings, i.e. D=Auto and S=Dynamic modes for throttle and gear mapping only; ACC (if equipped), steering and seat belt tensioners remain defaulted to the ADS setting in the MMI. (There is no difference for throttle and gear mapping in D or S from respective Auto or Dynamic settings in the MMI).



Final note. Sometimes you'll read in the forums that in S mode or Dynamic that the car is faster than D mode, Auto or comfort. It may seem faster but it's actually not so. There isn't a magic, hidden extra 50 HP with S or Dynamic modes (which would be nice but..no). Because the gas pedal is more sensitive to input, it provides more gas if the pedal pressed the same amount as in Auto or D modes making it appear faster in less than full throttle acceleration. If you are in any mode and you floor it off the line all the way to 70 mph, the elapsed times will be the same. Full throttle when the gears are not shifting until red line overrides any ADS or shifter mode.
D=Auto and S=Dynamic? as I see it is S=Dynamic/Sport and D=Non Dynamic/Sport (Auto and Comfort)

Regarding the "feel fast" I think is fair to say that IF the car shifts quicker in S the car is accelerating faster through the gears, maybe not in just one of them (not hidden horsepower) but a 0-100mph run will be slightly faster in S than in D, this of course if the transmission does shift faster in S vs D.
According to ZF website the transmission is capable of 200 milliseconds shifting, I do not know if that applies only to Sport or D does the same too.
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D=Auto and S=Dynamic? as I see it is S=Dynamic/Sport and D=Non Dynamic/Sport (Auto and Comfort)

Regarding the "feel fast" I think is fair to say that IF the car shifts quicker in S the car is accelerating faster through the gears, maybe not in just one of them (not hidden horsepower) but a 0-100mph run will be slightly faster in S than in D, this of course if the transmission does shift faster in S vs D.
According to ZF website the transmission is capable of 200 milliseconds shifting, I do not know if that applies only to Sport or D does the same too.
Feralc, please reread my summary. I didn't say the gears shift faster in S or Dynamic, I said they hold longer in gear than Comfort/D mode. So, what I wrote in my summary is correct - gears shift later, not faster or sooner than Comfort or Auto. Your link speaks to the ZF transmissions ability to globally change gears faster but that is not what I was writing re the ADS modes.

As to D=Auto and S=Dynamic for throttle and gear mapping, "Sport" or S mode is the same as Dynamic. It's semantics; S means Sport on the shifter but functions the same as Dynamic for the two parameters mentioned. D mode is the standard Auto mode which in one moment could be close to Comfort or close to Dynamic depending on how the car is being driven.

Bottom line, I stand by my statement that, all conditons being equal, if the car is under full throttle, pedal to the metal, there will be no difference in elapsed times in any selected mode. Time it. I have several times as I was unsure if there would be a difference. There wasn't.
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Bottom line, I stand by my statement that, all conditons being equal, if the car is under full throttle, pedal to the metal, there will be no difference in elapsed times in any selected mode. Time it. I have several times as I was unsure if there would be a difference. There wasn't.
"Under full throttle" is the key here. At partial throttle the car probably will accelerate more quickly for a given throttle position.
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"Under full throttle" is the key here. At partial throttle the car probably will accelerate more quickly for a given throttle position.
That's what I was trying to get across. Press the gas pedal halfway in Comfort/Auto/D mode, the car gets "X" amount of gas. Press the pedal halfway in Dynamic/S mode, the car gets X+ amount of gas. Press the pedal to the floor and the car gets the same max amount of gas possible regardless of mode selected. Outside of full throttle, It's a matter of pedal travel "sensitivity", if you will. The amount of throttle variance between the different modes decreases as pedal travel is increased toward full press.
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Feralc, please reread my summary. I didn't say the gears shift faster in S or Dynamic, I said they hold longer in gear than Comfort/D mode. So, what I wrote in my summary is correct - gears shift later, not faster or sooner than Comfort or Auto. Your link speaks to the ZF transmissions ability to globally change gears faster but that is not what I was writing re the ADS modes.

As to D=Auto and S=Dynamic for throttle and gear mapping, "Sport" or S mode is the same as Dynamic. It's semantics; S means Sport on the shifter but functions the same as Dynamic for the two parameters mentioned. D mode is the standard Auto mode which in one moment could be close to Comfort or close to Dynamic depending on how the car is being driven.

Bottom line, I stand by my statement that, all conditons being equal, if the car is under full throttle, pedal to the metal, there will be no difference in elapsed times in any selected mode. Time it. I have several times as I was unsure if there would be a difference. There wasn't.
And if you re read mine, you will see I wasn't arguing with you, I was saying that (semantics or not) dynamic and sport applies only for S, and comfort and Auto for D (you mentioned only Auto)

On the other point I never implied you said it shifts faster in Dynamic, but I am wondering if this is indeed the case, maybe S/dynamic does shift faster than D, I know some other gearboxes do according of how much throttle you are giving.
Having said that MAYBE the 200 milliseconds shifting is capable only when the car is S vs D, we have to ask Audi or ZF
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That's what I was trying to get across. Press the gas pedal halfway in Comfort/Auto/D mode, the car gets "X" amount of gas. Press the pedal halfway in Dynamic/S mode, the car gets X+ amount of gas. Press the pedal to the floor and the car gets the same max amount of gas possible regardless of mode selected. Outside of full throttle, It's a matter of pedal travel "sensitivity", if you will. The amount of throttle variance between the different modes decreases as pedal travel is increased toward full press.
Yup that is true. But try getting an aftermarket ECU upgrade (e.g. APR), Dynamic/S mode will clearly be faster at any pedal input stage.
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Yup that is true. But try getting an aftermarket ECU upgrade (e.g. APR), Dynamic/S mode will clearly be faster at any pedal input stage.
No doubt. An ECU mod is a whole different ball game and beyond the scope and intent of my original post.
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Comfort will provide for best fuel economy and smoother driving by changing upshifting gears sooner/downshifting later, a more sedate throttle response (more travel to the gas pedal for a given amount of gas if you will) and a lighter steering effort. Also a more "relaxed" seat belt tensioner. (See below for ACC).

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will vary somewhat in between the two modes above but note that in all modes, the parameters will vary in a predetermined amount depending on driver input, speed, etc..
The engine (gas pedal response) and the transmission are actually the same in Comfort and Auto modes. The transmission will be in 'D' mode for both, but it still varies the "Dynamic Shift Program" depending on lots of factors like hills, cornering and driving style. Apparently there are up to 256 shift maps and the one being used at the time can be read using VAG-COM. See this webpage: http://www.audipages.com/Tech_Articl...nsmission.html

Also see the attached PDFs. Note that a lot of features are not available on US A6s such as the air suspension, dynamic variable ratio steering, the sport differential, and Efficiency mode (but can be enabled through VAG-COM). So out of the three features left on my 2.0T Premium Plus, the only difference between Comfort and Auto is the steering effort.
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The engine (gas pedal response) and the transmission are actually the same in Comfort and Auto modes. The transmission will be in 'D' mode for both, but it still varies the "Dynamic Shift Program" depending on lots of factors like hills, cornering and driving style. Apparently there are up to 256 shift maps and the one being used at the time can be read using VAG-COM. See this webpage: http://www.audipages.com/Tech_Articl...nsmission.html

So out of the three features left on my 2.0T Premium Plus, the only difference between Comfort and Auto is the steering effort.
I read the tech article (from a 2002 A8?) a couple of times and maybe I'm thick but I didn't see where it describes the Comfort vs Auto modes. (Did the A8 even have ADS back in 2002?) In any case, I'm not so sure the article would apply today.

That said, perhaps you're right and I'm feeling a placebo effect but I sense a slight difference between Auto and Comfort (beyond steering), albeit less noticeable than compared to Dynamic mode. I'm not certain if the maps are in a range from comfort to something in between Comfort and Dynamic or employs settings in the middle (I suspect the former).

I guess the big question is, if there is no difference for the most important two performance categories, why does Audi have an Auto mode at all? Why not just Comfort and Dynamic and if steering is different in Auto mode, let it be adjusted separately through the Individual mode as it is now? I'm going to continue to dig deeper on this one.

BTW, I did mention in the summary it was for U.S. versions and that there are other ADS features available in S models and ROW. While I'm aware of the Efficiency mode, I wanted to stay with with U.S. stock settings and avoid Vag-Com mods that perhaps might confuse new owners.
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Well I see Audi Drive Select as a feature to collect settings from a bunch of different systems so the driver can change them together in one of the three modes--Comfort, Auto and Dynamic.

My thinking is the transmission settings were developed independently without ADS in mind, and go way back to the 1990s as shown in that A8 article I linked. So the transmissions (there are many like 8-sp, 6-sp, CVT, S-tronic) were developed with only two operating modes--"D" and "S". But ADS has three modes, so the "D" needs to double up for both Comfort and Auto. Other systems like the steering, air suspension and sport diff probably were developed with ADS in mind, so they do have three operating modes which can be mapped correspondingly.

The funny thing is I also suspect there is a slight difference between Comfort and Auto modes for my CVT, where the clutch pick-up when starting off, and the clutch disengagement when stopping, feels smoother in Comfort mode...

If you have VAG-COM you could investigate further by hooking it up while driving and reading the display group 12, field 2, which will show you the Dynamic Shift Program from 0-256 that the transmission is in, and try to see if there is any difference when ADS is set to Comfort or Auto modes. It will be difficult though because it changes depending on your driving style, and this will be hard to keep consistent when you change from Comfort to Auto. But look for a bias towards lower numbers in Comfort mode.
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Well I see Audi Drive Select as a feature to collect settings from a bunch of different systems so the driver can change them together in one of the three modes--Comfort, Auto and Dynamic.

My thinking is the transmission settings were developed independently without ADS in mind, and go way back to the 1990s as shown in that A8 article I linked. So the transmissions (there are many like 8-sp, 6-sp, CVT, S-tronic) were developed with only two operating modes--"D" and "S". But ADS has three modes, so the "D" needs to double up for both Comfort and Auto. Other systems like the steering, air suspension and sport diff probably were developed with ADS in mind, so they do have three operating modes which can be mapped correspondingly.

The funny thing is I also suspect there is a slight difference between Comfort and Auto modes for my CVT, where the clutch pick-up when starting off, and the clutch disengagement when stopping, feels smoother in Comfort mode...

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If we assume for a moment that Comfort and Auto have different maps with throttle and transmission, couldn't it be possible that in D shift lever mode it just reverts to ADS Auto? This would make sense since we could presume that Audi intended the Auto selection for "normal" driving.
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It's hard to tell because the transmission seems to change maps across the full range in all modes--D, S, Comfort, Auto, Dynamic. I can even get it to shift very early and keep the revs at 1,000 rpm after a period of driving sedately in S and Dynamic modes.
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Well, I stand corrected. I found this chart in the 2012 Audi A6 Study Guide (and also in my manual). While it's pretty basic it does appear to show that the engine throttle/transmission maps are the same in Comfort and Auto (called "Balanced"). This would indicate using D shifter mode or ADS, the two modes for these are one and the same.

So for the U.S. 2012+ A6:

1) Engine throttle and transmission gear maps have just two results; Comfort and Dynamic; the Auto mode is the same as Comfort mode. (Same for seat belt pretensioners).

2) D or S shifter modes will override and be the same as ADS Comfort and Dynamic respectively for throttle and gearing.

3) Steering is the only A6 ADS function that has a "middle" Auto setting (also Air suspension for other countries and the Sport Differential for S6 models if so equipped; there may be others depending on location and features).

3) ADS steering, ACC (if equipped) and seat belt pretensioners can have an Individual setting that are not overridden by the shift lever in D or S is Steering.

4) It's not clear from the chart or my study guide if the ADS Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) Auto mode is the same as Comfort mode or if they are actually different in operation.

Based on this chart, I'm somewhat baffled why Audi bothers to have the ADS indicate both Auto and Comfort modes for throttle, transmission and seat belt pretensioners since they appear to be the same. Seems like labeling two modes, Comfort (or Balanced as in the chart) and Dynamic would have sufficed and avoided any confusion. Bottom line is it seems that essentially the only things that U.S. A6 ADS does beyond what the D or S shifter can implement is steering, ACC and seat belt pretensioners since throttle and transmission can easily be switched using the shifter (not sure if the ADS curve light setting is avail in the U.S. A6 or Engine Sound setting with the S6).
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Wouldn't surprise me if Auto has a greater significance in Europe. Rather than increase costs to remove it for the U.S. market, they left it in, assuming that it wouldn't have any negative impact on the performance of the car -- just no significant benefit. Simply cheaper to leave it in. I suppose it's also there in case future programming updates make it more relevant.
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I've often thought that "Sport" mode (in any car that has something like it) reflects how the car is really engineered to operate, and that "Drive" mode is just a dumbed-down set of engine and transmission parameters designed to maximize the fuel economy numbers for the window sticker and EPA testing purposes.
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It seems that Sport mode for steering only reduces the level of assist, making it feel heavier....it doesn't change the ratio. Correct?
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It seems that Sport mode for steering only reduces the level of assist, making it feel heavier....it doesn't change the ratio. Correct?
Correct (only for ADS Dynamic mode, not Sport mode on the shifter). The North American C7 series ADS parameters only affect steering effort. "Dynamic Steering" found in other models and locales affects ratio as well as effort.
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"Dynamic Steering" found in other models and locales affects ratio as well as effort.
And Audi would leave this (and other items like adjustable suspension) off their USA/NA models because...?
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And Audi would leave this (and other items like adjustable suspension) off their USA/NA models because...?
Cost control to hit certain price points and/or marketing decisions. If there are other reasons, only their marketing department and engineers really know for sure.
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