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Old 05-22-2000, 10:40 AM   #1
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Default VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T

Hi, please give me your comments and touhgs on this.
I'm about to buy my new car and have 2 options:

VW GTI 1.8T
Audi A3 1.8T (150hp version)

I test drove both cars and think both are great and fast. I also like the look and styling of both cars. Since they were new cars at the dealer I didn't push them too hard but I felt the GTI to be a little bit quicker and with more power kicking-in in from the start.

I live in Guatemala (the little country located south Mexico, in Latin America), so here are the main differences between the available models here:

Audi A3:
- climatronic
- bose sound system
- 'check' computer (for car diagnostics)
- no trip computer
- no foglamps
- no sunroof
- steering wheel height adjustable

VW GTI
- no climatronic, just air conditioning
- no sound system (dealer installs an in-dash CD player from pionner)
- no check computer
- trip computer
- foglamps
- sunroof (with the rotary-dial type control)
- recaro seats
- steering wheel height and distance adjustable

For the rest both cars are practically the same.

For the price let's just say that with all the financing stuff both cars will cost me the same over a 36 months period, so price is not an issue.

My main concern is to have the fastest car (I will drop a chip in as the first mod), so I will like to take the car that give me the more power and acceleration.

Give me your advice here, please.

Also, did anyone have experiences racing a GTI 1.8T with your A3?
Did you win?

Thanks in advanced and regards.
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Old 05-22-2000, 11:41 AM   #2
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Default don't be fooled into thinking the GTI is quicker, it's probably the engine noise fooling you

the A3 is 0.6sec quicker 0-60, probably due to the fact that it's lighter than the Golf! come on wake up you've got the choice, why settle for an out of date beastie boys necklace, when you can have four rings.
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Old 05-22-2000, 12:44 PM   #3
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Default A3 No Contest.

A3 lighter, a little bit more dash.
Golf looks like a shed, A3 stylish and elegant.


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Old 05-22-2000, 01:03 PM   #4
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Default Re: VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T

Hi,

A difficult choice to make really.

In terms of which car is fastest, there isn't a lot of difference really.

If you believe the manufacturers figures, the A31.8T reaches 60mph in 8.1s, the Golf1.8T in 8.5s. Now these cars have exactly the same engine, but the Golf is the heavier car. So really, the A3 should always be the slightly quicker car. The question is, do you think you could notice a difference of 0.4s to 60mph? I personally don't think I could notice such a difference.

If you believe car magazines, quite a few have the A3 listed as 7.7s to 60mph, and the Golf still at 8.5s. But two enthusiast publications list the cars as being very close indeed. Audi Driver lists the A3 as 7.3s to 60mph, and Volkswagen Audi Car lists the Golf as 7.4s.

In terms of standard equipment, looking at your lists, then for me it looks like the Golf would come out tops. In the UK the cars are more closely matched. I'm surprised at the last item on your A3 list. Here in the UK the steering is both height and reach adjustable. Plus we get the trip computer, and fog lights as standard on the A3 1.8T Sport.

In terms of chipping, I obviously don't know how many companies do this in your country. But a lot of US companies chip Golf1.8T's and so should be able to chip an A31.8T. So you should be OK which ever car you decide to have.

Personally, I picked the A3 because I thought the car was nicer looking than the MkIV Golf, rarer, quicker (according to car magazines) and has sportier/harder suspension.

How this helps you a little.

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Old 05-22-2000, 03:25 PM   #5
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Default What about chipping?

Since I'm very interested in performance, I'm curious about the chips
you have out there in Europe (since the A3 is not sold in the U.S.).

For the GTI 1.8T I will like to get the Garret chip, which has showed some
impressive dyno-charts with 193hp. and 238 lbs/ft. I'm very impressed with
the torque figures mainly.

Garret offers the same chip for the A3 but looks to me that he doesn't
have the experience, since he haven't tested it yet on the A3.

Could you give me some feedback on chips and performance figures
for the A3, so I'll be able to compare to the GTI?

Thanks for your kind support.
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Old 05-22-2000, 07:57 PM   #6
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Default VW 1.8t is supposed to have 3 hp less than Audi (long)

According to Automobil Panamericano mag. The Official figures for the VW 1.8t engine in both the turbo beetle and the jetta (1.8t golf not available yet in Mexico) is 147 hp, and a reported 167hp on the dyno. And the A3 has an official 150hp , but i have not seen any reports on how it turns out on the dyno.
The reason they give for this is marketing. To give a little edge to the audi engines.

Also the suspension is supposed to have a sportier setup on the Audis but I am not aware if this is the case in the A3 Attraction (which I suppose is the one you are reffering to).

I am not sure if this is the case only for Mexico or if it applies elswhere, but I hope this info is a bit of help.
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Old 05-22-2000, 08:11 PM   #7
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Default Re: Extra Weight

Has the extra weight in the GTI gone to more strength or greater structural integrity, do you know? Perhaps there are lighter suspension components in the A3? Cheers
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Old 05-22-2000, 09:02 PM   #8
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Check the hottest chip co in the US... goapr.com.
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Old 05-22-2000, 09:46 PM   #9
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Default It's all in the heart

I had the same choice to make 2 months ago.
Here in South Africa the price and specs of the
A3 1.8T and GTI 1.8T is pretty similar.
The choice wasn't very difficult once I saw both
cars in person. I just fell in love with the Audi.
I don't think u can make a choice by looking at
performance because the difference is sub second.
I chose the Audi because when I saw it,drove it,felt it I knew I had fallen in love.

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Old 05-22-2000, 11:19 PM   #10
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Default Re: VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T

Hi,

both cars were compared in many german car magazines.
Last year the magazine "sport auto" compared the
actual GTI-class cars. The A3 and the Golf, both
with the 1.8 T 150hp engine were tested.
The A3 1.8t was about 2 seconds faster than the Golf on the
short circuit on Hockenheim.
The A3 had not only the better acceleration but also
the better brakes. The tires on both cars were
identical (205/55 16) and the Golf was about 64 kgs
heavier than the A3.

The Golf GTI is losing in Germany more and more its
sports car image. By the way - here in Germany you
see many many Golfs, even GTI (TDI or 1.8 T), driven
by people at the age of my grandpa.
Often they are hammering at 110km/h on the right driving lane (yes with 150hp!!!).
I have never seen a A3 1.8 T on the highway driving
slow (OK - maybe in traffic jams).
The Golf is the car for everyone, the A3 for people who like to drive fast and hard.

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Old 05-22-2000, 11:38 PM   #11
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Default check these previous posts of mine out........

http://www.audiworld.com/forum/m/a3/msgs/1364.phtml
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/m/a3/msgs/1363.phtml
http://www.audiworld.com/forum/m/a3/msgs/1362.phtml
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Old 05-23-2000, 12:55 AM   #12
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Default Re: VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T

As someone once said, "what would you rather be looking at on you steering wheel, a VW logo or the four rings??"
I personally think the Audi is a classier car and at least when I bought mine there were a lot less A3's in the UK than the GTI's. Its a choice of the heart!!!!

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Old 05-23-2000, 01:12 AM   #13
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Default Re: VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T = A3 1.8T

I agree with most comments below. Audi is that much more special and better car than GTI. I am not just biast A3 owner, I loved GTI too. But I had a very close look and feel before choosing A3 over GTI. I drove GTI for full 3 days (yes, they let you test-drive new cars where I live) before I bought. For me A3's uniqueness is also important. It's different to most smaller cars, yet it's very subtle and stylish, not to speak about its techinal specs. and build quality.
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Old 05-23-2000, 01:23 AM   #14
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Default Standard equipment

NZ specs were the same like driver-x describes. No trip computer, no fog lights, no seat heating and steering is only height adjustable
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Old 05-23-2000, 05:16 AM   #15
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Default Re: VW GTI 1.8T vs Audi A3 1.8T

I have a GTI GLX VR6 and I have to admit, if the A3 were available in the US, I would be driving an Audi.

BUT, the VR6 vs 1.8T thing would give me some trouble. I'm a big fan of 6-cyl motors. Have you considered the VR6? (I know 6's aren't popular outside US, but the torque is CRAZY!)
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V6's are just chicanes for 1.8T's!
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Old 05-24-2000, 01:31 PM   #17
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Default About the GTI VR6

Thanks Pedulla. In fact my dream car was the GTI VR6, I currently own
an Mk3 GTI 2.0 8v, since I couldn't afford the VR6 when I bought it, snif!
I wanted very baddly, but at that time I didn't have the money. :-(

Now I think the 1.8T engine 'chipped' is a blast, specially in torque with
more than 235 lbs/ft (50+ than the VR6, and 30+ than a chipped VR6).

In any other way I like the VR6 but it's price here in my country is
prohibitive. It costs around USD 30k and with that money I can buy the
A3 or the GTI and put in a lot of mods!!! ;-)

Thank you for your toughts anyway.
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Old 05-24-2000, 01:38 PM   #18
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Default Thank you all, I will let you know my pick.

Thank you all for your input. I greatly appreciate it.

I'm pretty convinced that the A3 is a better car, stiffer and a little bit quicker,
but here in my country the GTI comes better equipped, so I have to think
more for a while.

I haven't decided yet... mmm... Is very difficult.

Thanks again folks and I will let you know my choice later.
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Default Re: About the GTI VR6

Like I said ... if they had A3's in the US, I would be driving an Audi.

Good luck.
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Old 05-28-2000, 10:23 AM   #20
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Default Go with the VW (m)

By the sounds of things, you'd only lose out on the Bose stereo and Climatronic.
Climate control is nice and all, but to me it's not too hard to reach over and turn a **** if you want the temperature higher or lower, and it seems all any climate-system does is, well, do it for you. No big loss, there.

As for the stereo... well, Bose is terrible. For 1/2 the dealer cost of the Bose system, you can install something twice as good, aftermarket, even off of the stock head unit.

Maybe the missing check computer is a loss for some, but since you're asking opinions... I wouldn't even miss it. Not sure about suspension specs, but people here say the A3 is better off than the VW, so that's a big favor in Audi's court... Though I still say VW is the better bet.

Unless you positively must stare at four circles rather than a VW logo. =)

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