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Old 07-23-2010, 02:02 PM   #1
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Default im buying an audi. s4 or s5?

guys ive been planning to buy an s5 for a year now and im finally in the position to do so. the only problem is ive been reading alot of good stuff about the new v6 s4. i want to buy the one that is the fastest, quickest, and has the best handling. which one do i want? what are the differences? thanks
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Outside of the wanting a sedan versus a coupe, and the associated styling differences, the supercharged 3.0 engine in the S4 gives it more oomph off the line and makes it feel like a really good performance sedan. The V8 in the S5 makes it more like a grand tourer than a high-performance coupe (such as the venerable M3, the RS5, and to some extent, the 335i/is).

A good chunk of it comes down to the torque band being available earlier in the RPM range and lasts longer found in the 3.0T, while you need to be higher up in the RPM range to get about the same amount of torque for the V8. If you are not going for a manual transmission, the S-Tronic dual-clutch transmission is better than the tad slower shifting Tiptronic.

Now, if you have the dosh, you can almost get the best of both worlds (S4 grunt, S5 looks) with the S5 cabriolet. It has the same drive train as the S4, but the seating and most of the lines of the S5 coupe.

Personally, I just love the curves and design of the S5 that I'm willing to give up some up-front speed found in the S4. Now... if there was an S4 Avant available in the US, I would have a harder time choosing.
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thanks for the response. i like the looks of the s5 more also but at the same time it feels kind of stupid buying a more expensive model thats slower you know. which car has better handling?
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i forgot to add i was gonna get a tiptronic
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I can't speak for handling for the S4, but the S5 drives and feels like a good touring vehicle. Since the S5 is the first S model that I've really had a chance to drive, I can't really compare it to the S4... but it feels taut enough for me.

Luxury coupes will almost always cost more than their sedan relative (335i coupe costs about $2K more than the sedan, the 6-series costs over $7500 more than the 550i, I don't want to even go into the price difference between an M5 and an M6), though I don't know if that's the case with the Infiniti G37. The disparity in pricing comes down to volume, design differences (the S5 coupe doors are frameless compared to the framed windows in the S4), and usually a bit more upscale interior standard. It's part of the reason why Audi numbered the coupes/cabriolet a number higher than their sedans now (i.e.: A7 coupe based on the A6 sedan).

As far as Tiptronic versus S-Tronic, I would side towards the S-Tronic more. Not saying that the Tiptronic is bad, but it doesn't seem to always provide the same shift feel as any dual-clutch transmission. Now, if you really want a visceral shift feel from an automated transmission, check out some of the newer SMG/R-Tronic transmissions. Some hate it or think it's too clunky or harsh, but I kind of like it, just not the cost of one.
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nice info. tell you the truth, the s5 is far too beautiful of a car to not buy. im pretty sure im gonna get it. i just wanted to see what the differences were. i just got a couple last questions.

does the s5 plan to release a supercharged v8 in the future, and if so what year?

how come i cant find any rs models on audi's website? which is the faster model above the s4/s5? and how much more expensive is it? i was thinking it would be the rs4 or rs5 but i cant find them on the website
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All signs point to the introduction of the supercharged 3.0 engine and S-Tronic transmission for the 2012 MY S5 coupe (the cabriolet already has that combination standard).

The RS4 has already been discontinued and, as Audi announced today, the RS5 coupe will be released as a 2012 MY sometime in mid-to-late 2011. No official pricing has been announced for it, but estimates put it anywhere from $68K to $75K as the starting MSRP.

In terms of performance, it gets a tweaked version of the RS4/R8 4.2 engine and gets around 440-450 BHP and 317 lb-ft of torque.
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so the 2012 s5 is gonna be v6?

the rs5 is the next step up?
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so the 2012 s5 is gonna be v6?

the rs5 is the next step up?
No official announcement yet, but all signs point to a supercharged V6 for the 2012 MY S5. The RS5 would be the step up from the S5.
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thanks for all the info questionlp, i appreciate it. i cant wait to get an s5!
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No problem and I definitely can't wait for mine to finally arrive
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I'm not trying to sway you from buying an S5 by any means but since you asked which is the better performer...do yourself a favor and find an S4 to test drive with the 3.0T. The 4.2 is just old hat compared to the 3.0T unless you absolutely have to have that V8 sound. That's the ONLY area where the 4.2 excels over the 3.0T.

*Disclaimer: I'm in no way shape or form comparing the cars or trying to start a war. I'm merely pointing out that from a performance standpoint the 3.0T is a far superior engine than the 4.2 in the S5.*

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thanks for all the info questionlp, i appreciate it. i cant wait to get an s5!
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I'm not trying to sway you from buying an S5 by any means but since you asked which is the better performer...do yourself a favor and find an S4 to test drive with the 3.0T. The 4.2 is just old hat compared to the 3.0T unless you absolutely have to have that V8 sound. That's the ONLY area where the 4.2 excels over the 3.0T.

*Disclaimer: I'm in no way shape or form comparing the cars or trying to start a war. I'm merely pointing out that from a performance standpoint the 3.0T is a far superior engine than the 4.2 in the S5.*
I agree that the S4 is overall a better performer. I'm glad that we have the options between a performance sports sedan (S4), performance grand tourer (S5) and high-performance coupe (RS5) as they all aim at different audiences and needs.
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I'm not trying to sway you from buying an S5 by any means but since you asked which is the better performer...do yourself a favor and find an S4 to test drive with the 3.0T. The 4.2 is just old hat compared to the 3.0T unless you absolutely have to have that V8 sound. That's the ONLY area where the 4.2 excels over the 3.0T.

*Disclaimer: I'm in no way shape or form comparing the cars or trying to start a war. I'm merely pointing out that from a performance standpoint the 3.0T is a far superior engine than the 4.2 in the S5.*
thanks for the response. i had a feeling someone was gonna say that. let me ask you all a question.

i remember question said before that the convertible s5 is the only version that has the v6 supercharged motor. is there any way at all that for some extra money i can pre order a s5 coupe specially made with the 3.0 motor? it seems to me that it could be done cause there already putting the v6 in an s5 frame in the first place but the top is just different,
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While you could put down a deposit on a 2012 MY Audi S5, but Audi won't build any special S5's with the 3.0T engine until it is an official product.

BTW, I just came back from a test drive of a 2010 S5 Cabriolet (Sprint Blue, Black leather, Prestige, Audi Drive Select and Drive Assist) and definitely felt the up-front oomph of the engine and the really liked the *pop* when shifting. It definitely transferred more road noise and bumps than the coupe, but I didn't feel or hear any wind buffeting.

Would I take it over the coupe that I have on order? Not really, since I would still want a manual transmission, I would miss the coupe's styling, I had a bit more headroom in the coupe and I've always missed the sound of a V8
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so question, did you ask them at the dealership if you could make a special order and they said no?
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is it possible to get a chip or something to make the s5 as quick as the s4? if so what would i have to do to the car and how much would it cost?
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Right now, special orders are in the form of Audi Exclusive, which usually only cover the exterior and interior options. I have not seen or heard of any special orders with drive train swaps. I would definitely ask, but I have a feeling that they will probably tell you to wait until the 2012 MY is available. I didn't see your message before I left for the test drive, so I didn't explicitly ask about it.

Stasis and other tuners out there do make chips available for the S5, but I don't know if it will make it as quick as the S4, particularly off the line. I'm not sure if any of the tunes will bring peak torque down as low or in as broad of a range as in the S4/S5 Cabriolet. It's that characteristic of the supercharged 3.0 that gives it that additional punch, not to mention that there is less mass to spool up (albeit, there is a touch more grunt required for the compression stroke due to the forced induction).

If you want the best of both worlds, your only realistic option is the more expensive S5 Cabriolet. Now, you could build out a basic S5 Cabriolet for about the same price as an optioned out S5 coupe (plus or minus a grand). You'll probably break even or eke out a bit more gas mileage in the Cabriolet as well.
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Right now, special orders are in the form of Audi Exclusive, which usually only cover the exterior and interior options. I have not seen or heard of any special orders with drive train swaps. I would definitely ask, but I have a feeling that they will probably tell you to wait until the 2012 MY is available. I didn't see your message before I left for the test drive, so I didn't explicitly ask about it.

Stasis and other tuners out there do make chips available for the S5, but I don't know if it will make it as quick as the S4, particularly off the line. I'm not sure if any of the tunes will bring peak torque down as low or in as broad of a range as in the S4/S5 Cabriolet. It's that characteristic of the supercharged 3.0 that gives it that additional punch, not to mention that there is less mass to spool up (albeit, there is a touch more grunt required for the compression stroke due to the forced induction).

If you want the best of both worlds, your only realistic option is the more expensive S5 Cabriolet. Now, you could build out a basic S5 Cabriolet for about the same price as an optioned out S5 coupe (plus or minus a grand). You'll probably break even or eke out a bit more gas mileage in the Cabriolet as well.
thanks, its not the money that bothers me i just dont like the looks of the cab. i gotta run out for a couple hours but il be back. i had a couple more questions for u
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Audi will not build a special order S5 3.0T for you until the 3.0T has been made official (rumor has it 2012). Until then, you can forget about it in the coupe.

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