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Old 07-15-2014, 02:38 PM   #1
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I have a 2014 Audi Q5 Premium without Navigation in California, USA.
I already have my iPhone 5S connected to car's bluetooth handsfree for phone calls.Now, I want to also connect and play music (from music app or pandora or spotify) using my iPhone 5S over bluetooth. I know for the fact that the phone can connect to multiple devices, one used for phone and other for A2DP i.e. music etc.
I have an AMI cable that came along with the car and I tried using a few 30-Pin Bluetooth modules from Fry's and BestBuy but none of them worked as the display was stuck at, "Initializing Device".
My question is, Do I need a modified cable for those Bluetooth modules to work ? Or there are specialized bluetooth modules which support this feature?
As, my initial google search results showed, this product :
Amazon.com: ViseeO Tune2air WMA1000: Cell Phones & Accessories Amazon.com: ViseeO Tune2air WMA1000: Cell Phones & Accessories
only to work with what I need.
My understanding is, bluetooth module are usually cheap like 20-30$, then why is this product so expensive. Also, I came across this website : http://a2dp4audi.com. which is selling the complete combo for 99$.
So, what am I missing here? Is it a special AMI cable? or special module? and why won't the regular/cheap bluetooth module like this : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/aluratek...iver/9096103.p work with the OEM cable that came with the car?
Do suggest me if there are better alternatives to achieve what I need?
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Sorry I can't help...but just to be clear, the 2014 without MMI cannot stream music via BT? I haven't set mine up as I used a iPod nano, but I thought for certain my 2014 could stream music via BT - I have MMI.
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Thanks Samps. I know for sure that the car's bluetooth module won't be able to stream music, which made me shop for bluetooth module which attach to the AMI cable. I am not sure what's difference between AMI and MMI and which one I have. But, I know for the fact that if the bluetooth module gets detected properly, it would be able to stream music. Just want to know, why a specialized module and which one should I buy?
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Thanks Samps. I know for sure that the car's bluetooth module won't be able to stream music, which made me shop for bluetooth module which attach to the AMI cable. I am not sure what's difference between AMI and MMI and which one I have. But, I know for the fact that if the bluetooth module gets detected properly, it would be able to stream music. Just want to know, why a specialized module and which one should I buy?
if you've got MMI why would you shopping for bluetooth module?
i would suggest you to plug in an iPod or itouch for your music otherwise it will drain your cell's battery very quickly...
MMI=Multiple media interface...
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MMI is capable of BT streaming whereas AMI is not (for the 2014 MY anyway). I have the AMI in my '14 SQ5 and use the AMI iPhone 30pin connection with the Tune2Air module to stream music from my iPhone 5S. The Tune2Air works flawlessly with to stream the music and GPS directions through the car stereo. With the iPhone 5S you can connect to the Tune2Air and the car's BT in order to stream music and make BT phone calls (the car switches between the two seamlessly when a call is received or made).
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Just to add to my previous post, I'm not sure why the "regular/cheap" bluetooth modules do not interface with the AMI, however the Tune2Air is worth the price. I ordered mine on Amazon for about $100 and it will work with the OEM cable that came with your car.
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If you want to use the AMI cable with the Phone 5 series, just get the Apple Lightning/30 pin adapter. It will work fine with music and MMI control.
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Just to add to my previous post, I'm not sure why the "regular/cheap" bluetooth modules do not interface with the AMI, however the Tune2Air is worth the price. I ordered mine on Amazon for about $100 and it will work with the OEM cable that came with your car.
AMI and Bluetooth modules are two different systems.

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A very wide range of portable music devices can integrate with your car via the optional Audi Music Interface. Once installed, they can be controlled with the Multi Media Interface (MMI) or multifunction steering wheel (depending on the carís equipment). Supported devices include USB memory sticks, portable hard discs, mobile phones, and Apple iPods Ė even portable cassette players.

And itís not just the audio signal thatís transmitted. With compatible devices, detailed track information is displayed.


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Sorry I can't help...but just to be clear, the 2014 without MMI cannot stream music via BT? I haven't set mine up as I used a iPod nano, but I thought for certain my 2014 could stream music via BT - I have MMI.
All models are equipped with the MMI, with and without navigation, just different screen resolution, with different system linking other devices CAN bus or MOST-bus

-MMI 6.5-inch TFT color display (1/4 VGA 400 x 240 pixels), with NAV ( with DVD drive for navigation) / without NAV

-MMI High-resolution 7 inch color display (wide VGA 800 x 480 pixels) MMI navigation plus with HD




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if you've got MMI why would you shopping for bluetooth module?
i would suggest you to plug in an iPod or itouch for your music otherwise it will drain your cell's battery very quickly...
MMI=Multiple media interface...
The Audi Multi Media Interface (MMI) system, is an in-car user interface media system developed by Audi

MMI operates a large number of in car entertainment components, car electronics, and other functions. The list below indicates the scope of systems controllable by MMI. However, depending on the actual car model, along with which version was specified (MMI Basic, MMI High, etc.), only some, and not all functions will be applicable or available.

Satellite navigation, including traffic management (TMC) - optional
Radio tuner
CD changer
TV tuner - optional
Telephone and directory
Heating, ventilation, air conditioning, climate control, and seat heating
Car setup (e.g. central locking and convenience function (coming home/leaving home, power sunroof and windows) options, global audio settings, suspension settings etc.)
Driver information (e.g. fuel economy statistics (often encompassed by "trip computer" functions), battery level, tire-pressure monitoring, etc.)
User manual (full on-board car user manual, displayed on screen)


Conclusion: All Q5 have the MMI, with and without navigation.
The factory Bluetooth audio streaming is possible only in the model with navigation
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if you've got MMI why would you shopping for bluetooth module?
i would suggest you to plug in an iPod or itouch for your music otherwise it will drain your cell's battery very quickly...
MMI=Multiple media interface...
I believe darpandhamija said he/she did not know if they had MMI, at least that is my reading of the post: "I am not sure what's difference between AMI and MMI and which one I have"
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Thanks for the detailed explanation @spijun, That is really informative and I am sure would be useful in future for other people visiting these forums too.
And yes @irenesbob, i didn't know the difference between AMI and MMI, but now I do.
But my query still is unresolved that, why won't the other bluetooth module work with the regular AMI? and is there any other alternative bluetooth adapter I should be going for, or the best solution is the Viseoo Tune2Air WMA1000 ?
Thanks Vilhelm_SQ5, I am glad it works for you and if I don't find any other alternative, I am probably going to try it out too.
But if anyone has ever been able to try out any other bluetooth module and make it work, please let me know which one and how and where to get it from?
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I went thru a somewhat similar situation trying to stream bluetooth music from my iPhone 5 in my '13 TTS which has nav & all the goodies, but for some reason came with a six disc CD changer in the glove compartment rather than an AMI interface. After considerable discussion with guys in the TTS forum, I replaced the CD changer with an OEM Audi iPod Interface unit (much cheaper than retrofitting an actual AMI) which provides a 30 pin connector. I purchased the Tune2Air from Amazon, plugged it into the 30 pin in the Audi interface & it worked perfectly. The only problem is that with the RNS-E head unit in the TTS, you don't get track info displayed like you would with AMI. Since, as I understand it, the Q5 has the AMI interface but without A2DP, so I assume you would get track info on the head unit display. Everyone on the TTS forum as well as my dealer indicated that the Tune2Air was one of the few, if not the only BT adapter that worked reliably in the Audi. There must be something in the version of bluetooth & their software that makes it compatible. Several guys on the TTS form indicated they had tried cheaper units without success.
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MMI is capable of BT streaming whereas AMI is not (for the 2014 MY anyway). I have the AMI in my '14 SQ5 and use the AMI iPhone 30pin connection with the Tune2Air module to stream music from my iPhone 5S. The Tune2Air works flawlessly with to stream the music and GPS directions through the car stereo. With the iPhone 5S you can connect to the Tune2Air and the car's BT in order to stream music and make BT phone calls (the car switches between the two seamlessly when a call is received or made).
Hey, Vilhelm
i was wondering when you said " the tune2Air works to stream the music and GPS
direction through the car stereo". Does it display in your screen ? Your SQ5 doesn't equipped with Navigation package? i'm kind of curious about GPS from your cellphone to the car stereo, i mean from your cellphone's google maps obviously. Could be possible post a picture to show us the fantasy? i have a friend he wants to purchase a SQ5 as well but he does hesitate the navi-package which is about 2000$ in Canada.
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Hey, Vilhelm
i was wondering when you said " the tune2Air works to stream the music and GPS
direction through the car stereo". Does it display in your screen ? Your SQ5 doesn't equipped with Navigation package? i'm kind of curious about GPS from your cellphone to the car stereo, i mean from your cellphone's google maps obviously. Could be possible post a picture to show us the fantasy? i have a friend he wants to purchase a SQ5 as well but he does hesitate the navi-package which is about 2000$ in Canada.
By "GPS directions" he means the audio cues like "turn left in 500 feet" coming across the Tune2Air audio connection. You won't see the map from your phone show on the MMI screen, but you'll hear the directions announced over the car's speakers instead of the phone's.

You could always put a cell phone mount on the dash so you can glance over to see the map as you drive if just the directions weren't enough.
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David&Niki - idale is correct in that it is still just a fantasy to get the actual map on the MMI screen from your iPhone. Only the audio cues for the GPS directions are transmitted through the MMI. Apparently, Apple is working with Volvo to intregrate your phone and in-car nav, and Audi is working with Google/Android (so I've read anyway in some car mags).
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David&Niki - idale is correct in that it is still just a fantasy to get the actual map on the MMI screen from your iPhone. Only the audio cues for the GPS directions are transmitted through the MMI. Apparently, Apple is working with Volvo to intregrate your phone and in-car nav, and Audi is working with Google/Android (so I've read anyway in some car mags).
thank you Vilhelm. so it's actually like Navigation but voice assistance. i'm sure that will work out as well.
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Audi is also now working with apple on this. Next gen MMI will see the benefits
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I'm just trying to understand Audi's rationalization of why my VW's can stream audio over the BT connection and so can my wife's POS Rav4 but I can't link my Galaxy S3 to the AMI except via a $30 mini stereo to AMI plug in my MY2014 A5 Q Coupe. (PP w/o Nav).
Just a tool to get you to buy the Nav option and T-Mobile subscription?

Ultra frustrating.
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I ended up buying Tune2Air :
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and it works perfectly in my 2014 Audi Q5. Its sad that Audi doesn't provide this basic functionality, but I guess that's probably their way to sell Premium Plus with Navigation and all the stuff you don't need.

One thing I noticed while using Tune2Air was that when using streaming services like Pandora, Spotify etc, the latest song name does come up on display but Next and Previous control do not work. They play the next song in your Song Library instead. Its not a big issue and I guess I can live with it.
Thank you everyone on this thread for helping me out and I hope this would be useful information for someone coming on this forum looking for solution in future.
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I ended up buying Tune2Air : Robot Check

and it works perfectly in my 2014 Audi Q5. Its sad that Audi doesn't provide this basic functionality, but I guess that's probably their way to sell Premium Plus with Navigation and all the stuff you don't need.

One thing I noticed while using Tune2Air was that when using streaming services like Pandora, Spotify etc, the latest song name does come up on display but Next and Previous control do not work. They play the next song in your Song Library instead. Its not a big issue and I guess I can live with it.
Thank you everyone on this thread for helping me out and I hope this would be useful information for someone coming on this forum looking for solution in future.
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P.S.: I didn't put an appropriate title on this thread and I guess some moderator can fix that to make this thread easily searchable
Thanks for the input. I will consider the T2A piece.
Right now, I've got a 32G SD Card in the reader that is loaded with so much music that you could listen for weeks and not hear the same song. (Although it just happened on Saturday. I should have bought a lottery ticket.)

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If you want to use the AMI cable with the Phone 5 series, just get the Apple Lightning/30 pin adapter. It will work fine with music and MMI control.
I think Audi now has a AMI cable for lightning devices.
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