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Old 04-09-2014, 05:34 AM   #1
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There has been a rash of car-jackings in NJ recently and this prompted me to think about vehicle safety.

If you have keyless entry, you are able to walk up to the car (with key 'in-hand') and pull any door open. Can you actually lock the doors if you are inside with the key? Wouldn't anybody be able to just walk up to the car and open any of the doors because the key is near the car?

If I am running to the car and jump-in the drivers door, couldn't a car-jacker just open any of the doors to get inside?

Does Audi's system prevent this in any way?
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All modern Audis will auto lock the doors above 9 mph or, the same as any car ever made, be manually locked at any time by anyone inside the car by pushing a door lock button. The Advanced Key feature doesn't change this.
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The Q5 is set to unlock the drivers side only, you can change that in the MMI if you want so all doors unlock. As for your other questions, not sure.
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if the keys are locked inside. the doors will not unlock
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if the keys are locked inside. the doors will not unlock
And conversely, if the key is inside, the doors will not lock from outside. Not specific to the question being asked, but FYI since we're talking about it.
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And conversely, if the key is inside, the doors will not lock from outside. Not specific to the question being asked, but FYI since we're talking about it.
I know, but some people have a habit of clicking the lock button on the door. That's when the doors will not unlock if the keys were inside
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I believe the OP's question was can one lock the doors with the advanced key inside to prevent a "car jack".
The simple answer is yes.
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OK, I tested a bunch of scenarios and here are the results:

Test 1: doors locked, FOB in pocket, try to open doors. Result: all doors and boot could be opened.
Test 2: doors locked, FOB on ground next to drivers door, try to open doors. Result: only drivers door could be opened, all other doors and boot non-responsive.
Test 3: Drivers door open, FOB inside vehicle on drivers seat, try to lock door from outside vehicle. Result: door would not lock.
Test 4: Doors locked, boot open, FOB in luggage area, try to close and lock boot. Result: boot closes but will not lock.
Test 5: Doors locked from inside, FOB inside, engine off, try to open doors from exterior. Result: all doors and boot non-responsive.
Test 6: Drivers door open, FOB inside vehicle on drivers seat, try to lock doors using interior button. Result: door locks unresponsive.

Conclusions:
1) If you accidentally leave your FOB in the car, you cannot lock the doors from the exterior or by using the interior button.
2) If you are trying to get away from bad guys and rush to your door, they will not be able to open the other doors.
3) If you are locked in you car and bad guys are trying to open the doors, they will not be able to do so.
4) If you and your passengers are trying to get away from bad guys and rush to open the car doors, only the person carrying the FOB will be able to open their door, all others will need their doors unlocked for them.

Hope this helps somebody out there.
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I believe the OP's question was can one lock the doors with the advanced key inside to prevent a "car jack".
The simple answer is yes.
Right. Why didn't you say that the first time?
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Right. Why didn't you say that the first time?
Subsequent responses seemed to wander from the OP's question so I re-paraphrased what I wrote earlier. I'll try to keep my future posts as short as your's usually are.
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Subsequent responses seemed to wander from the OP's question so I re-paraphrased what I wrote earlier. I'll try to keep my future posts as short as your's usually are.
We appreciate all information given in an objective way, especially the experiments by Awry. All of the responses are helpful in some way and there's no particular need to shorten the responses to suit someone's preferences. Cheers to all.
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Subsequent responses seemed to wander from the OP's question so I re-paraphrased what I wrote earlier. I'll try to keep my future posts as short as your's usually are.
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there's no particular need to shorten the responses to suit someone's preferences.
He was joking - I write lengthy posts.

I agree with snagitseven that the initial replies didn't appear to address the OP's question. Even snagitseven doesn't appear that way at first when it starts by talking about driving 9mph when doors lock... I think his follow-up does help the OP more directly and was effectively giving him kudos for his 2nd pass
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I agree with snagitseven that the initial replies didn't appear to address the OP's question. Even snagitseven doesn't appear that way at first when it starts by talking about driving 9mph when doors lock... I think his follow-up does help the OP more directly and was effectively giving him kudos for his 2nd pass
Mark, as the OP was concerned about car jacking, I think the 9 mph mention was relevant. As I understand it, one of the reasons car manf. implemented the autolock feature was to ensure the doors would be locked at the next stop, i.e. a traffic light, a favorite spot for carjackers to ply their trade.
So there.

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Unlike in other car forums, you guys seem too jovial and happy with each other..... Just like driving an Audi......????
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Mark, as the OP was concerned about car jacking, I think the 9 mph mention was relevant. As I understand it, one of the reasons car manf. implemented the autolock feature was to ensure the doors would be locked at the next stop, i.e. a traffic light, a favorite spot for carjackers to ply their trade.
So there.

(To the poster who took exception to my earlier response to Mark, as per my "happy face", please be advised that I'm still joking).
Ha, touché!

"Unfortunately" I don't have enough experience with car jacking and missed the connection. Indeed, I reevaluated your homework and increase your grade You were actually answering the intent of the question, not limited to the specific cited. I only saw the "If I am running to the car and jump-in the drivers door", and failed to make the 9mph connection.

I'm surprised nobody has commented about the security aspect of having all doors unlock from one click vs just the driver's. Search youtube and you'll see brazen thieves opening pass side rear doors when people are filling up their (domestic, driver's side) fuel tank while stopped at a gas station. It's almost captured in the tests, but those only note if a friendly is trying to get in one of the other doors before you open it. Also should be considered if the one trying to get in is a foe...
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Unlike in other car forums, you guys seem too jovial and happy with each other..... Just like driving an Audi......????
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forums are meant to have a friendly atmosphere. but sometimes people on forum may go off on each other. at the end we all get along lol
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I wish it was always the case. As a moderator, I've been on various AW Forums where it can sometimes get out of hand. Usually though, most folks are here to help, share or learn while being respectful and tolerant of others that may have differing opinions. Just remember, if you're making a joke to include a "happy face" like this > . When driving my Audi I look like this > . When I drive it too fast with my wife in the car, I usually get this > followed by this > .
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