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Old 11-20-2004, 10:41 PM   #1
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Default ICELINK question....

Yes did the STFA...anybody know if there is any difference to the Radio End connection or the The CD Changer connection? Any sound quality difference? Denison doesnt like answering questions.
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Old 11-21-2004, 12:19 AM   #2
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Default i opted for the HU, a lot less wires to run.

as far as i know, they work the same.
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:08 AM   #3
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Default There are a few differences.

You should wait a few weeks for them to officially release the 1.2 version. I have it in my car right now and I actually think it sounds better, plus it should prove more reliable because it is better designed. Also it only comes in behind the head unit version.

Background on 1.1 (looked like this)

RADIO--->CAR adapter---->ICELINK---->CRADLE--->IPOD
The "car adapter" in this version actually acted as a common denominator so that both the icelink and radio could talk to each other. The icelink was a genericly programmed unit that interpretted "genericly translated" messages from the car adapter.

Another difference is that there were 2 versions of the 1.1, and I have used a few different units of both versions (5 icelinks in all) and found that I prefered the headunit connecting version because it worked with Nav+(and normal symphony II) whereas the trunk connector did not work well at all with Nav+. These 2 units are both "1.1" because they connect as pictured above but its the car adapter that is technically made by 2 different companies and as mentioned above performed differently.

Version 1.2 looks like this

RADIO---->ICELINK---->CRADLE--->IPOD

In version 1.2, the firmware of the Icelink unit itself actually understands audi "code".

I think version 1.2 sounds better and should be more reliable. I don't believe 1.2 is shipping yet but when it does, It will only be a radio connect version.

p.s If you have a cell phone connected to your stereo with the mute function setup, be aware that My biggest issue is that the Kit has problems pausing the ipod itself when the phone rings. Once they go back and add the 'mute code" into the 1.2 firmware, this problem should be gone (crossing fingers).
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:38 AM   #4
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Default Lou, with the Audi 1.2 interface can you tell where you are on the iPod track/group/song-wise?

I'd like to do this with my Nav+ and have considered the Phatnoise as well, think the iPod is much more versitile obviously but the interfaces into the head are weak at best. I do not want to see the thing in the cabin when installed.

Don't mind giving up the CD changer if neccessary(still have the DVD player). MP3s on the DVD player are ok but you are limited to CD capacities on the unit I have, plus you have to use the remote if you want to bounce around vs th head buttons.
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Old 11-21-2004, 08:15 AM   #5
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Default well....

With a 3rd gen ipod, it is impossible to know where you are in the ipod. HOWEVER

With the new 4th gens released last week, the 60gb color screen version I "hear" has video out. No one has done this yet, but i am curious to run the video out into nav+ video input However, the icelink would not work in this occaision because you can't view the video source while listening to cd changer source (IF I AM WRONG THEN IT SHOULD WORK)

But I find that when you are driving you don't need to see the ipod. I hid mine away (see link) and NEVER look at it, at lights, ill pop it out and change playlists or genres, but for the most part I listen to my entire collection on random and I'm VERY happy with it.

1.2 offers no NEW features.
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Old 11-22-2004, 04:05 AM   #6
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Default a few questions for you...

You have the exact setup i have done to the ipod mounted on a phone craddle!! well at least until i installed my NAV+

1- can i get versin 1.2 now?
2- was it difficult to intall into the back of the HU?
3- do you know if my v1.1 would be upgradable to v1.2?

thanks! i really miss driving without my i-pod btu i love the nav+
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Old 11-22-2004, 05:11 AM   #7
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Default answers

1 - yes call a tech over at dension (tom or chase) and ask them to send you a 1.2 in exchange for your 1.1. Tell them your nav+ doesnt work with your 1.1 (because you have the trunk connector).

2 - VERY easy. They have a harness already made, its plug/play (well you have to unscrew one bolt behind the stereo(any bolt) and ground the icelink ground wire, then you plug/play.) MUCH easier than installing nav+ only a bit harder than actually removing the stereo from the dash.

3- FYI, the HU connector version of 1.1 would have worked with your car, but you should go to 1.2 for design,reliability and less parts reasons. Honestly space is tight back there and the less parts included in the kit, the less crap you have to find space for. Plus I think 1.2 sounds better than 1.1 (bass response)
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Old 11-22-2004, 05:19 AM   #8
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Default You are a scholar and a gentleman...Thanks

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Old 11-22-2004, 05:49 AM   #9
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Default p.s. You may want to wait 2 weeks

If you use a phone connected to your radio, the 1.2 currently does not have the mute/pause command linked, so the stereo mutes but the ipod keeps playing. Tom is working on this for me and claims to be sending a revised unit in 2 weeks.
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Old 11-22-2004, 06:03 AM   #10
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Default no phone so i'll see if i can get this one...

i have a 6 hr road trip coming up on thursday.. hopefully i can get this overnighted to me today!

thanks again for the help!
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Old 11-22-2004, 06:22 AM   #11
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Default for that to happen,

you'll have to double pay, and get a credit when you send yours back.

Good Luck! (Chase's extension is 112 but he rarely answers on the first try, best to press 2 for tech support) p.s. they are on west coast.
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Old 11-22-2004, 06:25 AM   #12
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Default figured that much...

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Old 11-22-2004, 03:20 PM   #13
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Default well i got the parts.. but i had to buy a new one

they wouldn't exchange it because i had it sitting around too long =(

so if anyone needs a full icelink kit with brand new cradle let me know.. 50% off!!!!
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Old 11-23-2004, 08:31 AM   #14
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Default densionusa.com website says icelink plus works with our cars (track info on display)

anyone know? lou?

i'm about to call because tom said he'd upgrade me when it came out. i had asked about it during the group buy.

i never even ended up installing mine as i've had other priorities...

i'm gonna call now
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:26 AM   #15
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Default show me what info you are referring to.

I am positive that track info is not available to translate from the ipod to the headunit.
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:47 AM   #16
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Default ok, i got the info on the new version.

And i'm a little ticked off. Basically i've been getting strung around, and the tech is holding information back from me instead of trying to help me.

He had stalled for quite a while, then claimed they forgot to program the 1.2 for mute, and now when I called him on it, he tells me sure they can get me a ver2.0. He says they didnt know they would be out so soon, but still he knew they were in development, and I would have enjoyed knowing that a new version is coming out. Basicaly after all the hard time/work that went into getting the icelink to work in my car, he was gonna let me be happy with ver1.2 and then find out 2.0 came out for $40.00 more.


Anyway. I talked to him, and I will be getting a 2.0 (the newest version with all the new features) probably sometime next week. The new version has the ability to thro id3tags and menu information to the headunit, but Audi head units don't have the ability to display it, so you won't be able to take advantage of it.

The unit will work in the new way (allowing manipulation of which playlist you are listening to or choosing an artist etc etc) but you will have to look at the ipod to see what you are really doing. Another mode that is available is 1.2 mode, so you can go back to the menuless function that the 1.1 and 1.2 have. It's a best of both worlds situation. Let's hope they actually fix my problem with the unit and we can all be happy.
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Old 11-23-2004, 04:39 PM   #17
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Default hmmm... tom told me at the time of the group buy that they had the stuff working in a b5 audi.

ie: track listings. but maybe he's mistaken? the website implies that track info display on the head unit is working...

are they upgrading you for a nominal fee?
that's what tom indicated they would do for me. but it's unclear if i have to send everything back or just the icelink part??
that would be nice as i'm supposed to finally install mine this weekend?
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Old 11-23-2004, 05:06 PM   #18
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Default i doubt it i had to buy a complete new kit to go from V1.1 to V1.2 so be carefull

nice product but i will not be recomending them to anyone until they get the final version together or come up with a better way to upgrade as they bring incomplete products to the market.... yes i like it but if i were doing it all over again i would have gone another route
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Old 11-23-2004, 06:27 PM   #19
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Default they have yet to bring a finished product to market.

To my knowledge no information makes it into the audi head unit, i was on the phone with chase today and he confirmed this.

He said they are tryign to get info into the nav+ but i know this is not possible.
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:15 AM   #20
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Default wtf, i'll call, but the website says specifically icelink *PLUS* for cars without MMI

the PLUS is the track listing info AFAIK.

see here

i'm unclear on what version it is... 2.0?
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