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Old 06-18-2014, 04:49 PM   #1
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Hey everyone, I am currently trying to decide if I should purchase this S6. As I have never owned an Audi before I was hesitant, I have heard about how much they cost to maintain. But I don't want that to be the only reason I don't buy this car. I think its time to pull the trigger and get one.

Below I have attached a link to the one I have been looking at, everything seems to be fine with it but I wanted to know what y'all thought about it before I pulled the trigger. Is it a bad idea to buy one that already has 17,000 miles on it, is there some option that this one doesn't have that I should be looking for, is there somethings I should look for next time I go look at it? ect.

Appreciate any feed back I can get!

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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...71963107&Log=0
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That one has been on the market for a while now. Not sure why because it seems like a fair price.
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Hey everyone, I am currently trying to decide if I should purchase this S6. As I have never owned an Audi before I was hesitant, I have heard about how much they cost to maintain. But I don't want that to be the only reason I don't buy this car. I think its time to pull the trigger and get one.
I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but PUT THE MOUSE DOWN!

With that said, Audi builds the finest Italian cars you will find.... If you come in (as I did some 14 years ago) expecting a really fast Japanese car, you are going to be disappointed. Just read this forum and see the various trials and travails. IF (and ONLY IF) you can approach the purchase as being the most reliable Italian car you've ever heard of, will you be happy. If you expect to replace 4 blower motors, a set of turbos, every plastic part on the car and to pay 2-3X Japanese pricing for every piece of it, then you're starting out about right. If you expect that every engineering issue on the car will be solved the hard way, then you've started to understand the situation.

Make no mistake, when it's running the car will put a smile on your face - my 13yo C5 still does (when the check engine light isn't on, which isn't often these days). The epitomy of an Audi is me driving up to the Eisenhower tunnel at some 11,000' passing everything in sight with the car so settled and quiet that my family is asleep. Driving my new C7 in the Alps has fixed that smile such that surgery will be required to remove it! The C7 is in so many ways better than my C5, but a look through the engine self-study program shows the heart and soul are unchanged: active engine mounts that are on the diagnostic bus? Sounds like the hard way to me!

"But Richard, you just bought another one!" Yes, Yes I did - I've been in lust with the C7 S6 since it was announced. I held firm in my resolve to never have another first year Audi and waited for the '14s, then circumstances conspired to make a purchase quite viable and I pulled the trigger again.

This time I'm going in eyes wide open. Will I still complain when my car has problems? Oh yes. Will I be surprised this time? No sir. Would I recommend an Audi to anyone I know? Only with the caveats above - you will learn the true meaning of a love-hate relationship if you take on the ownership of an Audi.

Would I recommend purchasing a USED Audi to anyone? Not even my worst enemy. Get a new one with a full warranty. Buy an extended warranty on top of that.

Expect to be on a first-name basis with your local dealer's Service Advisors and Technicians - and that's with a NEW Audi.


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Old 06-18-2014, 10:24 PM   #4
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I have my S6 a year, with about 9K miles. One recall, one significant TSB (dealer installed in a half-hour), no mechanical problems. I bought Audi care, so service won't be much more than the $900 I paid for 50K miles. Considering that this is an $80K car, service isn't too costly - though not cheap. But then there is the driving experience, the brakes and that sweet go pedal.... worth every penny I paid. I love to drive it. I switched from Japanese cars and I'll never go back. Consumer Reports now rates Audi as the third most reliable brand - things are improving. If there are no problems with the car and the deal is good you should enjoy it.
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Hey everyone, I am currently trying to decide if I should purchase this S6. As I have never owned an Audi before I was hesitant, I have heard about how much they cost to maintain. But I don't want that to be the only reason I don't buy this car. I think its time to pull the trigger and get one.

Below I have attached a link to the one I have been looking at, everything seems to be fine with it but I wanted to know what y'all thought about it before I pulled the trigger. Is it a bad idea to buy one that already has 17,000 miles on it, is there some option that this one doesn't have that I should be looking for, is there somethings I should look for next time I go look at it? ect.

Appreciate any feed back I can get!

Thanks

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...71963107&Log=0
Just from looking at the pics, that car has: windows already tinted, 20" wheels that appear a bit more gunmetal color than stock (or dirty?), and an aftermarket exhaust (AWE?). These are items that many members will mod after they purchase an S6, so some added value there for you.

I would test drive an S6 and even the one you listed if you can. Not sure what car you are coming from, but the S6 is a solid (heavy) powerful car (think Lear Jet) and the feel might surprise you for the better or worse. I drove several Audis (S4, S5, S7, S8) before I picked the S6. It's not a cheap car to purchase or maintain, so be sure it's what you want. Just my two cents....
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I wouldn't buy a used one without cpo 6yr/100k warranty. I leased mine, I really like the car but I don't love it enough to buy it out or lease another one once its up. I have about a year left, I think its time to jump into a 991.
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That car is certainly under the CPO mileage window. At minimum (and I purchased all of my Audis as spec-built new cars), I would want to see the complete dealer service record. FWIW, when I sold my RS4 @ 110,000 I made available the service record, and, although the dealer said it was unnecessary, did a carbon clean at around 100k miles. CPO purchases give you a good bit of protection, as perhaps do sellers who have kept good records. To Richard's post above, I would only note that none of my Audimobiles have had catastrophic failures or significant repairs of any kind (none were tuned). But the buyer must always beware.
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I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but PUT THE MOUSE DOWN!

With that said, Audi builds the finest Italian cars you will find.... If you come in (as I did some 14 years ago) expecting a really fast Japanese car, you are going to be disappointed. Just read this forum and see the various trials and travails. IF (and ONLY IF) you can approach the purchase as being the most reliable Italian car you've ever heard of, will you be happy. If you expect to replace 4 blower motors, a set of turbos, every plastic part on the car and to pay 2-3X Japanese pricing for every piece of it, then you're starting out about right. If you expect that every engineering issue on the car will be solved the hard way, then you've started to understand the situation.

Make no mistake, when it's running the car will put a smile on your face - my 13yo C5 still does (when the check engine light isn't on, which isn't often these days). The epitomy of an Audi is me driving up to the Eisenhower tunnel at some 11,000' passing everything in sight with the car so settled and quiet that my family is asleep. Driving my new C7 in the Alps has fixed that smile such that surgery will be required to remove it! The C7 is in so many ways better than my C5, but a look through the engine self-study program shows the heart and soul are unchanged: active engine mounts that are on the diagnostic bus? Sounds like the hard way to me!

"But Richard, you just bought another one!" Yes, Yes I did - I've been in lust with the C7 S6 since it was announced. I held firm in my resolve to never have another first year Audi and waited for the '14s, then circumstances conspired to make a purchase quite viable and I pulled the trigger again.

This time I'm going in eyes wide open. Will I still complain when my car has problems? Oh yes. Will I be surprised this time? No sir. Would I recommend an Audi to anyone I know? Only with the caveats above - you will learn the true meaning of a love-hate relationship if you take on the ownership of an Audi.

Would I recommend purchasing a USED Audi to anyone? Not even my worst enemy. Get a new one with a full warranty. Buy an extended warranty on top of that.

Expect to be on a first-name basis with your local dealer's Service Advisors and Technicians - and that's with a NEW Audi.


Expect lots of contrary opinions, but that's mine!
Richard's post is the best post I've read on any forum in quite some time. As someone who has owned only Japanese cars until the S6, it's absolutely spot on. This is my ninth new car, today being just past 6 months since picking it up, and it has already spent more time at the dealer for [warranty] repairs - one week - than my previous 8 vehicles combined. Happily enough, it was only one visit and the dealer was stellar throughout.

I positively LOVE the car, but I also take quite a lot of comfort in knowing that it's leased.
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Here's a carfax with info on its history:
http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory...F2AFC4DN035397
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Here's a carfax with info on its history:
http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory...F2AFC4DN035397
Good info, but remember that CarFAX is a negative indicator only! A "clean" CarFAX means nothing - as my "courtesy buyback" proved.
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That car is certainly under the CPO mileage window. At minimum (and I purchased all of my Audis as spec-built new cars), I would want to see the complete dealer service record. FWIW, when I sold my RS4 @ 110,000 I made available the service record, and, although the dealer said it was unnecessary, did a carbon clean at around 100k miles. CPO purchases give you a good bit of protection, as perhaps do sellers who have kept good records. To Richard's post above, I would only note that none of my Audimobiles have had catastrophic failures or significant repairs of any kind (none were tuned). But the buyer must always beware.
They may not be able to CPO it. It could have been tuned which wouldn't allow them to provide the CPO warranty.
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I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but PUT THE MOUSE DOWN!

With that said, Audi builds the finest Italian cars you will find.... If you come in (as I did some 14 years ago) expecting a really fast Japanese car, you are going to be disappointed. Just read this forum and see the various trials and travails. IF (and ONLY IF) you can approach the purchase as being the most reliable Italian car you've ever heard of, will you be happy. If you expect to replace 4 blower motors, a set of turbos, every plastic part on the car and to pay 2-3X Japanese pricing for every piece of it, then you're starting out about right. If you expect that every engineering issue on the car will be solved the hard way, then you've started to understand the situation.

Make no mistake, when it's running the car will put a smile on your face - my 13yo C5 still does (when the check engine light isn't on, which isn't often these days). The epitomy of an Audi is me driving up to the Eisenhower tunnel at some 11,000' passing everything in sight with the car so settled and quiet that my family is asleep. Driving my new C7 in the Alps has fixed that smile such that surgery will be required to remove it! The C7 is in so many ways better than my C5, but a look through the engine self-study program shows the heart and soul are unchanged: active engine mounts that are on the diagnostic bus? Sounds like the hard way to me!

"But Richard, you just bought another one!" Yes, Yes I did - I've been in lust with the C7 S6 since it was announced. I held firm in my resolve to never have another first year Audi and waited for the '14s, then circumstances conspired to make a purchase quite viable and I pulled the trigger again.

This time I'm going in eyes wide open. Will I still complain when my car has problems? Oh yes. Will I be surprised this time? No sir. Would I recommend an Audi to anyone I know? Only with the caveats above - you will learn the true meaning of a love-hate relationship if you take on the ownership of an Audi.

Would I recommend purchasing a USED Audi to anyone? Not even my worst enemy. Get a new one with a full warranty. Buy an extended warranty on top of that.

Expect to be on a first-name basis with your local dealer's Service Advisors and Technicians - and that's with a NEW Audi.


Expect lots of contrary opinions, but that's mine!
Respectfully, I'm going to disagree. Audi have recently made significant strides in quality, as evidenced by their performance in Consumer Report's vehicle reliability rankings for 2013:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101148312#.

And the idea of having to pay 2-3X more for parts simply isn't true. For example, here is a comparison of three cars that are likely to be cross-shopped against each other, and their operating costs for five years:

A 2013 Lexus GS350 costs $2073 to maintain, $395 in repairs, $12734 in fuel, and $26428 in depreciation for the first five years according to Motortrend. That's a total of $41630.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/..._of_ownership/

2013 Acura TL SH-AWD total is $40495.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/..._of_ownership/

A 2013 Audi A6 costs $2665 to maintain, $1277 in repairs, $11542 in fuel, and $25362 in depreciation. Total $40836.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/..._of_ownership/

If you try and compare repair costs on a Toyota Yaris versus a 8-cylinder, twin turbo German sport sedan with every technological option known to man, you're right, the German car is likely to cost more. But apples to apples, there really isn't as big a difference anymore as there was 5-10 years ago.

I've owned three Audis, and none of them have left me stranded once. Two had a few TSBs/updates applied, and the S6 had the fuel line recall.

YMMV
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Nobby -- the links you posted got truncated.

^^^ Piggybacking off this line of discussion, we all come at this through a filter that's based on our own past experiences.

I remember when my dad got an Audi 5000 Quattro in the very early 80s. He had so many problems with that car -- he HATED that car. It was so unreliable that he literally drove it to a dealership that his friend was the manager of, parked his Audi in the parking lot, left it running because it was a crap shoot if it would start again, walked into the show room, pointed at a car and said "I'll take that one". That's how fed up he was with his Audi. He literally bought the very first car he saw on the show room floor because he just didn't want to deal with his Audi anymore.

Since the new millennium, Audi has come a LONG way in terms of reliability. Just look at my signature. Between all of the Audis that I have owned, I have never had any major issues (knock on wood ) with any of my Audis. Ironically enough, I think that my Stage 3+ B5 S4 was my most reliable vehicle. You can attribute that to all of the upgraded parts it had on there, though.

The issues that I've had have been relatively minor and nothing that has ever left me stranded. I'm sure that not everyone will agree with my approach, but I have never bought a new car in my life. I've always bought used, but new enough that there's still a significant amount of factory warranty left. There's the obvious cost benefit of going that route and based on my own experiences (and maybe it's just dumb luck) the majority of any issues encountered occur during the first 10k miles. Obviously, there's a tipping point when the age and amount of miles will obviously have an impact on maintenance and issues. When I look to buy a pre-owned car, I look for the known issues and look for a vehicle that has had those issues already addressed. That approach has served me well with all of my past vehicles. I'm not suggesting that approach guarantees that I won't have any issues in the future, but it has helped mitigate running into such (known) problems.

I wouldn't hesitate a second recommending a newer Audi to someone who is concerned about reliability. Especially if there's any factory warranty remaining, I'd say go for it. You can always get an extended warranty after the factory warranty runs out.
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