Unitronic Stage 1+ or APR?
03-22-2016, 04:12 PM
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03-22-2016, 05:22 PM
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But, as stated in other forum posts by APR, the DQ250 can handle quite a bit more, probably closer to 600nm. So honestly, if you only plan on keeping the car around a few years, like myself, I think we're all gonna be OK with slapping a mild software flash on it. I also learned, when I was having my '14 S4 tuned, that Forge Motorsport didn't really start wearing out components within their DSG (Mk2 TTS) until after making above 500 hp (also tracking it full time). There wasn't even any sort of catastrophic failures, just clutch wear.
03-23-2016, 01:10 PM
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As my gearhead friend remarked. He wants to use the software flash for autocrossing while the car is still in warranty. All he has to do is re-flash it, should there be any wear related effects from the power increase. No one would be able to tell he had it upgraded beyond factory spec.
03-23-2016, 05:56 PM
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As my gearhead friend remarked. He wants to use the software flash for autocrossing while the car is still in warranty. All he has to do is re-flash it, should there be any wear related effects from the power increase. No one would be able to tell he had it upgraded beyond factory spec.
03-23-2016, 05:57 PM
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Or maybe not, it's funny, I did a little more research and found that the torque limit for the DQ250 is actually lesser than you stated, it's 350nm, not 380nm.. Category:Transmissions - Ross-Tech Wiki
But, as stated in other forum posts by APR, the DQ250 can handle quite a bit more, probably closer to 600nm. So honestly, if you only plan on keeping the car around a few years, like myself, I think we're all gonna be OK with slapping a mild software flash on it. I also learned, when I was having my '14 S4 tuned, that Forge Motorsport didn't really start wearing out components within their DSG (Mk2 TTS) until after making above 500 hp (also tracking it full time). There wasn't even any sort of catastrophic failures, just clutch wear.
But, as stated in other forum posts by APR, the DQ250 can handle quite a bit more, probably closer to 600nm. So honestly, if you only plan on keeping the car around a few years, like myself, I think we're all gonna be OK with slapping a mild software flash on it. I also learned, when I was having my '14 S4 tuned, that Forge Motorsport didn't really start wearing out components within their DSG (Mk2 TTS) until after making above 500 hp (also tracking it full time). There wasn't even any sort of catastrophic failures, just clutch wear.
03-23-2016, 06:17 PM
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Don't believe everything you hear from fellow forum members either... As mentioned before, I'll closely monitor what I see based on Golf R and S3 owners whom have modified their vehicles. In my experience so far, 3 years in with the B8.5 S4 with a software reflash, zero issues, perfect reliability (obviously, different model DSG, but still exceeding the "Factory limits"). Plus, to expand upon my comment before about the DQ250 in Forge Motorport's MK2 TTS, I had actually SEEN it taken apart when I was having my '14 S4 reflashed, no major component failure at 500hp..
03-23-2016, 06:28 PM
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I know exactly what you are talking about, but don't be snarky, expand upon what you mean in detail so that Gbob will know. Actually.... I'll do it for you since you didn't...
Gbob, he means to say that if you reflash you ECU, it'll eventually be scanned by the dealers VAS tool when in for service, it's a requirement that the vehicle be scanned during service so the dealer can be compensated for warranty work. More than likely, during the scan it will throw a TD1 flag, which in essence voids the powertrain warranty. However, if he never takes the vehicle in, and does have it reflashed back to stock, he should be OK (the rumors about a flash counter are untrue..).
Gbob, he means to say that if you reflash you ECU, it'll eventually be scanned by the dealers VAS tool when in for service, it's a requirement that the vehicle be scanned during service so the dealer can be compensated for warranty work. More than likely, during the scan it will throw a TD1 flag, which in essence voids the powertrain warranty. However, if he never takes the vehicle in, and does have it reflashed back to stock, he should be OK (the rumors about a flash counter are untrue..).
03-23-2016, 07:09 PM
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Don't believe everything you hear from fellow forum members either... As mentioned before, I'll closely monitor what I see based on Golf R and S3 owners whom have modified their vehicles. In my experience so far, 3 years in with the B8.5 S4 with a software reflash, zero issues, perfect reliability (obviously, different model DSG, but still exceeding the "Factory limits"). Plus, to expand upon my comment before about the DQ250 in Forge Motorport's MK2 TTS, I had actually SEEN it taken apart when I was having my '14 S4 reflashed, no major component failure at 500hp..
292hp/280tq is the max this motor can safely make and withstand all the weather conditions of the US. The European car is not a hot weather car and also has different emissions regulations.
03-23-2016, 07:10 PM
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I know exactly what you are talking about, but don't be snarky, expand upon what you mean in detail so that Gbob will know. Actually.... I'll do it for you since you didn't...
Gbob, he means to say that if you reflash you ECU, it'll eventually be scanned by the dealers VAS tool when in for service, it's a requirement that the vehicle be scanned during service so the dealer can be compensated for warranty work. More than likely, during the scan it will throw a TD1 flag, which in essence voids the powertrain warranty. However, if he never takes the vehicle in, and does have it reflashed back to stock, he should be OK (the rumors about a flash counter are untrue..).
Gbob, he means to say that if you reflash you ECU, it'll eventually be scanned by the dealers VAS tool when in for service, it's a requirement that the vehicle be scanned during service so the dealer can be compensated for warranty work. More than likely, during the scan it will throw a TD1 flag, which in essence voids the powertrain warranty. However, if he never takes the vehicle in, and does have it reflashed back to stock, he should be OK (the rumors about a flash counter are untrue..).
03-24-2016, 03:14 AM
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On this subject I do trust.... just a note however that they seem to test/review the Euro spec TTS quite a bit in hot Spain mainland and Majorca.
The problem is that you are basing your decisions on other owners, not engineering information. You will just have to trust me. All I'm saying is play at your own risk and don't expect Audi to replace any clutches or other potential drivetrain issues if you decide to crank up the boost.
292hp/280tq is the max this motor can safely make and withstand all the weather conditions of the US. The European car is not a hot weather car and also has different emissions regulations.
292hp/280tq is the max this motor can safely make and withstand all the weather conditions of the US. The European car is not a hot weather car and also has different emissions regulations.