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Old Nov 19, 1999 | 04:51 PM
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Default Stoneguard or ??

When I asked about mud flaps here (which I've purchased) one lister said his guards rubbed the paint off under the flaps and to use stoneguard. Looking at their website, Stoneguard seems to be an expensive cover for the whole front of the car. Is this (or similar) product available in small amounts for my purpose? Would it hold up under the mud flaps?

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Old Nov 19, 1999 | 06:19 PM
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Default Re: Stoneguard or ??

The Audi mud flaps don't flex when attached proprely to your car so I don't see how they can rub the paint off ? They look good and I don't think you"ll ever take them off anyway. Had mine on for 6 mo. and don't see any signs of a paint problem. Good luck, AXEL
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Old Nov 19, 1999 | 06:36 PM
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Default You could use both...

You could put of bit of the 3M Scotchcal material underneath the mudguard where it could potentially rub. There's not much doubt that a little grit will accumulate between the guard and the paint and moisture will tend to stay back there also. Neither will probably be a problem, but it is easy to be safe. Scotchcal is what the Stongard (www.stongard.com) and similar products like Invictashield are made of. It's good stuff. And it is expensive when purchased for cutting to shape yourself. Griot's Garage has it in their catalog, sold in 2 inch and 4 inch wide stips, sold by the foot for 2.50/ft and 3.50/ft respectively. (Part numbers 77890 and 77892). They are at www.griotsgarage.com. You could do with whole area needed with probably one foot of the 4 inch (maybe even 2 inch, you have to measure). (Their product doesn't say Scotchcal on it that I noticed, but it appears to be the same thing). Get their catalog if you don't have it as they have lots of other auto/garage related stuff. 1-800-345-5789. (I have no relation to them.)

The front flaps do serve a purpose in partially protecting some of the bodywork from stones, and you couldn't reasonably cover this area with Scotchcal. The rear flaps, however, really only protect the bottom edge of the rear bumper, and you COULD cover this area with the Scotchcal material.
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Old Nov 19, 1999 | 06:53 PM
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Default Re: You could use both...

Tom, It sounds good to me, I think I'll try that 3M product. Thanks, AXEL
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Old Nov 19, 1999 | 08:21 PM
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Default Here. Check this thread on the S4 forum (link)

<ul><li><a href="http://www.a4.org/forum/m/s4/14875.phtml">http://www.a4.org/forum/m/s4/14875.phtml</a</li></ul>
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Old Nov 20, 1999 | 08:46 AM
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Default "DANGER, Will Robinson" ....

Just to alert you, this stuff is a royal PITA to install properly. I installed about a 1.5 ft square area on my Porsche just in from of the flared rear fender (replaced a smaller OE one). I cursed and swore during the entire installation. Had no instructions; did the left side dry, which made alignment a nightmare. On the right side, I sprayed the surface with water and then applied it. Used my fingers to try to squeegee the water out, but had several bubbles. Took months for them to disappear.

I watched the tech install the Invisishield on my A4 (actually, helped him). This is the 3M Mylar film sold under a bunch of different names. Key things I noticed were:

1) he wet surfaace using a water/alcohol mix
2) laid film on water/alcohol, floated it into place.
3) squeegied water out with what looked like a rubber triangular scraper with 2-3 layers of paper towels on it. This contoured to surface, and pushed ALL the water out.

He acknowledged it took him a lot of practice (on customer cars!) before he got competent - esp on curved large surface areas.

2-4" width prob. will be less of a PITA to install, but be forewarned. Try to see if can instructions when you buy the stuff.
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Old Nov 20, 1999 | 09:13 AM
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Default I agree about installing large quantities

I have installed small pieces of this material and it isn't really a problem, even without using the alcohol underneath to make it easier. However, this was in areas like under the rear bumper where cosmetics aren't important. Obviously, there is no reason to fear installation in an area like the paint that is covered by the mud guards.

But, I very much agree that a full "Stongard" or equivalent installation is best left to much experienced professionals. If you are experienced at installing window tint on curved surfaces, then maybe Stongard is within reason to attempt. Before trying to install Stongard on the hood/bumper, etc. of your car, ask yourself if you would attempt self-installation of window tint (one-piece) on the curved rear windshield.
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