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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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Default One quick statement...

First time this year I have the chance to drive the car with snow on the roads. Car is back to stock non sport OEM suspension with its regular OEM alignment specs. I ride on 16" OEM mags with Dunlop M3s.

Last year I had only the STaSIS TorSen mod on the car and I could tell it made a difference.
However, this winter the TorSen mod is joined by the STaSIS LSD mod and <b>WOW</b> the car is all over the place. You want oversteer? Your wish just came through. This car now drives almost like a BMW, that's how tail happy it is. I think the wife would crash it if i let her drive it. Mind you I drive with the ESP off all the time. Can't wait until next spring to see if the STaSIS Motorsport suspension can help me that kind of oversteer on the dry.

That is all for now.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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Default How much provoking would be needed for the oversteer?

I mean, does the car just snaps around without warning or just that it would transition to oversteering when driving aggressively?
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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Default Not much to provoke it. You can see and feel it coming but it's fast. I can barely feel the...

Front wheels pulling. You can go from one side to the other fish tailing like crazy. Very long power slides are easy.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 04:53 PM
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Default Sounds like quite a handful in snow! I wonder why the fronts would be barely pulling...

I would've thought the modified Torsen would be able to send a lot of torque up front just like it could send more torque than OEM to the rear, unless I understood the Torsen mod wrong...
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 05:36 PM
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Default Here read this, I just explained it on an AZ thread...

I think you are a bit confused.

The regular OEM TorSen under normal driving situations does provide a 50/50 torque distribution. However, under abnormal or slippery conditions it can and will transfer up to about 66% of the torque to which ever axle requires it (front or rear). That means the other axle is only left with 34% of the torque. The regular OEM TorSen is said to have a 2:1 ratio.

Now the STaSIS TorSen mod changes that ratio to 4:1. It remains a 50/50 unit under normal driving conditions. However, it will under abnormal conditions transfer up to 80% of the torque to either axle leaving the other with only 20%. So under most acceleration situations, like coming out of a curve or turn on the track, because of the weight transfer towards the back, the front wheels lighten up and the TorSen senses this and redirects more torque towards the rear wheels, making the it a bit more like a RWD car. Keep in mind the TorSen works in a front to rear and vice versa manner.

Hope this clarifies the TorSen issue.

Now the limited slip differential (LSD) works on the rear axle in a side to side manner. It is set at 60% lock out. Both wheels turn in the same direction because the LSD acts like a locking mechanism until a sufficient amount of load or torque breaks it out. Until that limit is reached both wheels push the car through a turn or curve, no inner wheel spin can occur. So you always have traction. This further makes the car handle like a RWD car. You can definitely get power on oversteer, a lot more and easier than with just the TorSen mod. One draw back to this unit, its price, $1895.00 + shipping, taxes and installation.

Hope this as clarified for you all the differences between the two mods.
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Default That's why I was surprised: I thought once the rear has broken loose in an oversteer condition...

Up to 80% of torque would go up front and thus you'd feel a significant pull from the front... I guess what I'm saying is not so much I'm surprised that oversteer comes easily, but more that it'd fishtail like crazy.

O, and thanks for the clarifications!
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 04:20 AM
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Default That's great that you drive with the esp off all the time...

I say go 100% old school:

Disconnect the abs,
throw out the air bags (they just add weight), Seat belts with shoulder straps are for wimps.

Consider also getting rid of the electric starter and install a crank coming out of the front grille.

(Just joking with you Jet.)
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 07:34 AM
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Default add some snow tires for a positively "rallyligious" experience

with your mods and snows - you would be THE fastest car on the winter roads
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 07:36 AM
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Default **ding ding**

you are correct - it will transmit double the power it normally would to either front/rear of the car.
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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Default Speaking of which, is the Torsen different between Tip and non-Tip cars?

And is the rear diff different between the 2? I'm just wondering why on your website both are specifically said for manual cars only.
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