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I have a used B9 A4 S-line 6spd I bought last year August with 53Km on it... did an IE tune, downpipe.. In May '22 with 82Km (yes, I drive a lot) check engine light, oil pressure issue.. Took to Audi and they TD1 after engine tear down and said not their issue.. Didn't even get to what the problem good have been. Cylinder walls scored, cams bad..metal in the engine. Bought a 2nd engine...used with maybe 65Km on it..it went 15Km before.. You guessed it... SAME issue!!!
Yes I put the tune back on it as I figured I was safe. I don't believe for a second it was the tune. My mechanic found metal in the oil. Again. Rod bearings he said are likely the culprit.
I can't keep doing this. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I've read about it with S4's or RS4's or B7 A4's but B9? Haven't seen a drop. Gonna try to go after Audi but TD1 leaves me dead in the water. It's a mechanical issue...not a program issue..I'm not a mechanic but come on..two engines? Same codes? Same issue? I can't possibly be alone with this.
Sorry about your luck! I would be surprised it's the tune, except for the increased wear on the components from the increase in hp/tq. These engines however can take some abuse and have held up at over 400wtq and 400whp on the MQB cars. Any other symptoms present other than the code when this failure occurred both times?
Just flashed my 2018 A5 SB with IE stage 1, hoping this isn't in my future also!
You had to know that when you flash a tune on to the ECU, Audi can detect the change and there is pretty close to a 100% chance that they will deny any subsequent warranty coverage.
I am like PghRich. What makes you think it wasn't the tune, or perhaps the way you drove the car after the tune was applied? Scored cylinder walls and metal in the oil is not exactly a common theme in this forum, yet here you are reporting two failures that you appear to be claiming are identical. You might want to consider what your common causal factor might be (i.e. the tune and or the way you drive the car).
Where did the tune originate from and what were the target boost pressures / RPM profile? Any modification that elevates the boost pressures, elevates the combustion chamber pressures and temperatures and the engine temperatures. It's naive to assume that running elevated engine temperatures is not going to have a detrimental effect on engine life. How detrimental will depend on the tunes impact on engine temperatures combined with how often you make use of the tune.
You had to know that when you flash a tune on to the ECU, Audi can detect the change and there is pretty close to a 100% chance that they will deny any subsequent warranty coverage.
I am like PghRich. What makes you think it wasn't the tune, or perhaps the way you drove the car after the tune was applied? Scored cylinder walls and metal in the oil is not exactly a common theme in this forum, yet here you are reporting two failures that you appear to be claiming are identical. You might want to consider what your common causal factor might be (i.e. the tune and or the way you drive the car).
Where did the tune originate from and what were the target boost pressures / RPM profile? Any modification that elevates the boost pressures, elevates the combustion chamber pressures and temperatures and the engine temperatures. It's naive to assume that running elevated engine temperatures is not going to have a detrimental effect on engine life. How detrimental will depend on the tunes impact on engine temperatures combined with how often you make use of the tune.
We need to be careful with what we are saying here. Increased engine wear can occur when the engine is pushed beyond the factory parameters, regardless of the tuner. We cannot simply say that because he was using an Integrated Engineering tune, the engine was damaged. Perhaps he didn't let the engine warm up before going WOT? A tune itself will not increase bearing wear and result in scored cylinder walls. The way the car was taken care of and driven, however, could result in something along those lines.
As I mentioned, I have the same software on my car as the OP. Not sure if he has logged the car before, but here is a log of my car with the same software in the event you're interested in what the tune is requesting of the vehicle: https://datazap.me/u/kosmaras/a5-sb-...i?log=0&data=8
I have a used B9 A4 S-line 6spd I bought last year August with 53Km on it... did an IE tune, downpipe.. In May '22 with 82Km (yes, I drive a lot) check engine light, oil pressure issue.. Took to Audi and they TD1 after engine tear down and said not their issue.. Didn't even get to what the problem good have been. Cylinder walls scored, cams bad..metal in the engine. Bought a 2nd engine...used with maybe 65Km on it..it went 15Km before.. You guessed it... SAME issue!!!
Yes I put the tune back on it as I figured I was safe. I don't believe for a second it was the tune. My mechanic found metal in the oil. Again. Rod bearings he said are likely the culprit.
I can't keep doing this. Has anyone experienced anything like this? I've read about it with S4's or RS4's or B7 A4's but B9? Haven't seen a drop. Gonna try to go after Audi but TD1 leaves me dead in the water. It's a mechanical issue...not a program issue..I'm not a mechanic but come on..two engines? Same codes? Same issue? I can't possibly be alone with this.
These codes were stored back in November. Is that after the replacement engine was installed? Just want to be sure they were cleared before driving on the new engine. These codes are related to cam position being off (odd) and also low oil pressure (typical of having foreign material in the oil and therefore impacting the oil pump).
We need to be careful with what we are saying here. Increased engine wear can occur when the engine is pushed beyond the factory parameters, regardless of the tuner. We cannot simply say that because he was using an Integrated Engineering tune, the engine was damaged. Perhaps he didn't let the engine warm up before going WOT? A tune itself will not increase bearing wear and result in scored cylinder walls. The way the car was taken care of and driven, however, could result in something along those lines.
As I mentioned, I have the same software on my car as the OP. Not sure if he has logged the car before, but here is a log of my car with the same software in the event you're interested in what the tune is requesting of the vehicle: https://datazap.me/u/kosmaras/a5-sb-...i?log=0&data=8
I came here to say the same thing. There are so many EA888 motors out there with stage 1, 2, 3+ tunes so let's not throw the tune out as the cause here. OP, do you watch your oil temps to make sure you're staying out of boost until oil temps are up to temp? Regular oil changes? Was the oil cooler flushed/replaced when the engine was replaced? There are so many ways an engine can fail, but I'd be hard-pressed to say a tune from a major tuner on this platform is causing the failure.
Engine 1 lasted 54k km before you bought it
Engine 2 lasted 64k km before you bought it
with Audis programming
you toon it, and each engine gives up. And you’re going to try and get a warranty claim? For what exactly? It’s not their software, it’s not their problem.
change tuners or leave it stock, those are essentially your options.
I came here to say the same thing. There are so many EA888 motors out there with stage 1, 2, 3+ tunes so let's not throw the tune out as the cause here. OP, do you watch your oil temps to make sure you're staying out of boost until oil temps are up to temp? Regular oil changes? Was the oil cooler flushed/replaced when the engine was replaced? There are so many ways an engine can fail, but I'd be hard-pressed to say a tune from a major tuner on this platform is causing the failure.
There are countless tunes done by known tuners with established track records (we don’t yet know whose software this is), that were installed on predominantly new engines with known history. That’s an important caveat.
The root cause can’t be determined without a full tear down. Especially with stored codes.
There are countless tunes done by known tuners with established track records (we don’t yet know whose software this is), that were installed on predominantly new engines with known history. That’s an important caveat.
The root cause can’t be determined without a full tear down. Especially with stored codes.
We do know what software he's running, he mentions in his initial post - it's (IE) Integrated Engineering.
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2nd Engine, same issues: TD1
