ESP Availability
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ESP Availability
I am considering buying a MY 00 or 01 D2. I like the look of the short wheel base, but I understand ESP was optional on that version, at least for 2000. What percentage of cars sold had ESP? I live in a place where winter rules for 7 months of the year, and ESP is a must on my next car.
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I have a question about that last statement
I hate any sort of ESP in the snow. I think that It gives less control. in the rain well its probably a good thing.
but going up any sort of hill ie driveway or such. bad idea. Plus I think that when driving spirited in snow causes the car to want to dive.
I say if its 4 wheel drive/quattro and your sliding point it where you want to go and goose it.
I was estatic that my 2000 had everything BUT parktronic and ESP. exactly what I was looking for (except for it doesnt have the alcantara headliner
but going up any sort of hill ie driveway or such. bad idea. Plus I think that when driving spirited in snow causes the car to want to dive.
I say if its 4 wheel drive/quattro and your sliding point it where you want to go and goose it.
I was estatic that my 2000 had everything BUT parktronic and ESP. exactly what I was looking for (except for it doesnt have the alcantara headliner
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Re: I have a question about that last statement
To answer your question, it is not so much the snow, as the icy roads at intersections. We have very effective snow removal here, so rarely would I be driving in deep fresh snow, but packed snow and ice is much more common. Also, I understand the ESP can be turned off.
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It's definitely tightens reactions on slippery surfaces
Years ago I thought it might be a band aid for unstable cars. But then I realized it can also destabilize the car -- get it to turn in when it would want to plow. Quattro doesn't matter when you're not on the power, and there are plenty of real world winter driving situations where more power is not a feasible response or likely to get you what you want.
Slaloming on packed snow is much more immediate than with ESP turned off. ESP offers a kind of control not available unless you retrofit your car with four brake pedals.
My equipment priorities for driving here where it melts and refreezes into smooth ice fairly often are:
good studded tires > ESP > AWD.
These would be reordered if a foot of snow were the regular challenge and the slick hard surfaces were rare.
(As far as the debate over studded tires goes, check out the recent Finnish studies which still find them to save more injury and property damage than they cost in road damage.)
Tom
Slaloming on packed snow is much more immediate than with ESP turned off. ESP offers a kind of control not available unless you retrofit your car with four brake pedals.
My equipment priorities for driving here where it melts and refreezes into smooth ice fairly often are:
good studded tires > ESP > AWD.
These would be reordered if a foot of snow were the regular challenge and the slick hard surfaces were rare.
(As far as the debate over studded tires goes, check out the recent Finnish studies which still find them to save more injury and property damage than they cost in road damage.)
Tom
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