Some help and suggestions for 2011 Q7
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Following up on PAR's economic points, another reason I went with the 333hp is that, comparing Prestige MSRP's, the diesel is $4000 higher than gas. hunh? I'm surprised that so many people seem to be going for the diesel.
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The price difference on the diesel does seem to be not worth it, unless you do a ton of highway driving. I wish we had the option of Audi's 4.2 TDI for somewhere around that price level (maybe 1 or 2,000 higher). That would at least give a real performance advantage is everyday driving with the available torque. Otherwise I think the 333hp 3.0T is the the was to go.
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don't forget...there's value in the diesel engine option, so be sure not to justify fuel savings compared to the entire $4k price hike. you'll still get 45-60% residual in 4-5 years on that element of the vehicle too.
In other words, you don't have to justify fuel cost savings for the whole $4k....
In other words, you don't have to justify fuel cost savings for the whole $4k....
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I think your residual estimate is based on the same "hype" that's leading a lot of people buy new TDIs and the scarcity of used ones since they were not very popular in the past. With it being so popular now, it will no longer be hard to find used ones in the future, and increased mileage is supposed to be a big benefit of the diesel, but it doesn't really materialize in the Q7 3.0 TDI. I'm not so sure people won't realize this over the next few years and luster of owning a TDI may wear off a little. I lean towards picking the vehicle that you like better, and not buying based on an expected future residual. Of course if you are leasing, then the residual set by the bank does matter and cost of ownership definitely should play a role in making a decision. My personal opinion is that the 3.0T as engine performs better, gets mileage that is not much worse, is significantly cheaper, and although not a deal breaker, gas is avaialable everywhere and you're not limited to fewer, generally dirtier pumps used by commercial vehicles.
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Yikes. I was wondering when this would start....my engine is better than yours, etc. etc. Interesting that I don't see many TDI owners throwing flames at the gas burners. I guess they are happy with their purchase.
It is important for people to comment on things they know. Hard to tell a TDI owner all about their vehicle from someone who does not own one. Anyway, a few "FACTS":
- The TDI in fact does get better mileage...as an owner I can confirm I average around 27 mpg on the highway and 22 in city driving. How much better than the 333HP 3.0T? I have no idea.
- The resale on the TDI is in fact better than the alternative, due to many factors. How much more? I have no idea.
- The TDI does in fact cost more than the 3.0T. When you compare side by side ALL of the options in the package, I'm not sure how much more. Audi makes it difficult with option packages to compare side by side. For sure, most TDI's are considered premium vehicles with all the options. Can it be justified? I have no idea. Hard to justify the price for the new Ferrari based on resale or mileage, but I sure do want one.
I think the 3.0T is a great engine for those who want and need that option. I have nothing bad to say about it.
It is important for people to comment on things they know. Hard to tell a TDI owner all about their vehicle from someone who does not own one. Anyway, a few "FACTS":
- The TDI in fact does get better mileage...as an owner I can confirm I average around 27 mpg on the highway and 22 in city driving. How much better than the 333HP 3.0T? I have no idea.
- The resale on the TDI is in fact better than the alternative, due to many factors. How much more? I have no idea.
- The TDI does in fact cost more than the 3.0T. When you compare side by side ALL of the options in the package, I'm not sure how much more. Audi makes it difficult with option packages to compare side by side. For sure, most TDI's are considered premium vehicles with all the options. Can it be justified? I have no idea. Hard to justify the price for the new Ferrari based on resale or mileage, but I sure do want one.
I think the 3.0T is a great engine for those who want and need that option. I have nothing bad to say about it.
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"The TDI does in fact cost more than the 3.0T. When you compare side by side ALL of the options in the package, I'm not sure how much more."
??? The $4000 MSRP price difference is not my number, rather it comes from the audiusa.com configurator- $58,900 for the 333hp 3.0TFSI Prestige, and $62,900 for the 3.0 TDI Prestige. By the way, I believe that $58,900 for the 333hp Prestige is a heck of a bargain, compared to competitive offerings.
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??? The $4000 MSRP price difference is not my number, rather it comes from the audiusa.com configurator- $58,900 for the 333hp 3.0TFSI Prestige, and $62,900 for the 3.0 TDI Prestige. By the way, I believe that $58,900 for the 333hp Prestige is a heck of a bargain, compared to competitive offerings.
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Eeeeeeks hahaha, i really hope i didn't spark any flames, i really just wanted some opinions, about buying which model hahaha.
Ive probably read 1000 reviews and looked into 100's of forums for comparos between the Merc GL,ML, Lex GX, and Audi Q7, in the end like everypone has been saying all comes down to personal taste and what jumps out at ya, and hands down to all of ya this is one sexy SUV. =) Now next step is to see how well my bargaining skills are.
Thanks for all the replies
Ive probably read 1000 reviews and looked into 100's of forums for comparos between the Merc GL,ML, Lex GX, and Audi Q7, in the end like everypone has been saying all comes down to personal taste and what jumps out at ya, and hands down to all of ya this is one sexy SUV. =) Now next step is to see how well my bargaining skills are.
Thanks for all the replies
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In the UK the price of the cars are miles apart as you can see below:
Standard
3.0 TDI - £40,975
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £42,665
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £42,120
SE
3.0 TDI - £43,940
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £45,630
4.2 TDI - £53,525
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £45,085
3.0 TFSI(333hp) - £49,170
S-Line
3.0 TDI - £45,600
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £47,290
4.2 TDI - £55,185
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £46,745
3.0 TFSI(333hp) - £50,830
V12
6.0 TDI - £100,320
As you can see the TDI around here is £5k less than the 333hp 3.0 TFSi engine that ive just bought. Prices are going through the roof in the UK and its going to go even higher because of VAT increase. The total cost was £66,740. The dealer was good though, gave me the car for £61,500.
Standard
3.0 TDI - £40,975
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £42,665
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £42,120
SE
3.0 TDI - £43,940
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £45,630
4.2 TDI - £53,525
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £45,085
3.0 TFSI(333hp) - £49,170
S-Line
3.0 TDI - £45,600
3.0 TDI Clean Diesel - £47,290
4.2 TDI - £55,185
3.0 TFSI(272hp) - £46,745
3.0 TFSI(333hp) - £50,830
V12
6.0 TDI - £100,320
As you can see the TDI around here is £5k less than the 333hp 3.0 TFSi engine that ive just bought. Prices are going through the roof in the UK and its going to go even higher because of VAT increase. The total cost was £66,740. The dealer was good though, gave me the car for £61,500.
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my comment is in direct reponse to those who calculate 100% depreciation of the engine cost vs. $fuel savings---where one should be looking at the breakeven point as an approximate resale value point of the engine option (at an estimated resale point), vs. the cost of diesel and mpg. Additionally my resale range, which is simply a hipshot guess, coincides directly with historical resale values down the road of the Q7 vehicle itself.
If you choose to buy a car that you like, and have no concern about future values, that's your choice. Doesn't mean everyone subscribes to this way of thinking.
If you choose to buy a car that you like, and have no concern about future values, that's your choice. Doesn't mean everyone subscribes to this way of thinking.
Last edited by IAS5; Dec 2, 2010 at 05:38 AM.