Giovanni Giovino 6.0+6.0TT

Well for everyone stating that the OP has nothing wrong with his or her KESSY, look at Address 05 and 25, 05 and 25 are one and the same inside the KESSY box located under drivers side floorboard carpet, even though both 05 and 25 show status "OK", both 05 and 25 have the same electrical fault on the same day at the same time 8-27-2016, I first would check the battery as MP stated, but I need more information form you as to what exactly is happening, as in, do any lights work, door locks working, any dash lights at all, any IMMO message, remote working, and so on, more info will help, below is what your scan showed in reference to the KESSY module, and a faulty KESSY will keep your car from starting and coming out of park.


Any wetness on the floorboards ?


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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 D
Component: FBS AUDID3 H04 0140
Revision: 01404004 Serial number: AUX3Z0DN754933
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 58BFE8B6EB7EF882B8-800C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 0
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 165280 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.27
Time: 11:23:26


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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 D
Component: FBS AUDID3 H04 0140
Revision: 01404004 Serial number: AUX3Z0DN754933
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 58BFE8B6EB7EF882B8-800C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX ELV XXXX

1 Fault Found:
00003 - Control Module
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 0
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 165280 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.27
Time: 11:23:26


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05A8W12

The battery was just replaced a few months ago. When I could get the car into neutral I'd get a dash message stating to shift the car to park to so it would not roll away. If I press the CHECK button -- the date/time and mileage comes up but no warnings. I can unlock the car doors from the interior switches but not from the keyfob. Last month I did have some moisture from the vents but not much. At this point I don't think I am Tech Savvy enough to fix this so unless someone can talk me out of it - I think it is time to call the tow truck and get it to the dealer.

Giovanni Giovino 6.0+6.0TT

Hello John,
Please read this with an open mind, I am trying to help, but you need to tell us the full story since December 2015.....

A "few" is not almost 9 months, you replaced the battery according to your post in one of your other threads on 12-07-15, and now after reading all of you other threads I see that you have many problems that never came to a conclusion, look at your 8-27-2016 scan and see the battery issues from January 2016, and the latest just on July 24 2016 were it hit stage 6, Please check the voltage on the battery to confirm same, also have it load tested, do you drive this vehicle everyday, if not, do you have a battery tender on it, ALSO I see you have never even cleared the codes from the last scan in December, save the file then clear all the faults and start with a fresh scan, as far as the MMI, it shows in your 8-27-2016 scan that number 19 CAN-BUS has a open optical circuit on 8-27-2016 along with many others, and not let's forget the power to KESSY thread, what happened there, you never updated that thread either, nor did you update as to the outcome when you received answers to your rear HVAC problem, ALSO in one of you other threads you were having problems with the key being identified, did you ever solve that, and last but not least, you failed to bring up the remote starter that was installed over a year ago this past December, that in itself could have failed, if you have removed it let us know, I for one searched through four different high-end audio installers and they all said no way with twin ECM's, Audi's security, ETC.ETC., also Viper themselves that it would disable push button start and the factory security, that their fob would become the one to use, and this was in 2013ish.


This is not to be rude in any way, but I did read in a post made by you that you had never used a voltmeter before, if you are not mechanically or electrically inclined, then please bring to someone who is before you end up doing damage to yourself or the vehicle.




02277 - Quiescent Current Stage 6
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 163571 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.07.24
Time: 12:21:10






Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4E0-910-468.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 910 468 A HW: 4E0 907 468 C
Component: Gateway H07 0040
Revision: 07 Serial number: 0500504A20251D
Coding: FCFEFFDC1B7904
Shop #: WSC 03132 444 83907
VCID: 2643964E918A9E72FA-8072

1 Fault Found:
00384 - Optical Databus
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 35
Mileage: 165293 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.27
Time: 11:20:55


The stages of power shutdown.


The energy management control unit J644 is responsible for constant monitoring of the battery, which includes checking the state of
charge (SOC) and starting capability. The control unit regulates the optimum alternator charging voltage with the engine running. It
can implement load shedding (reduce the number of loads) and increase idling speed.


To reduce the closed-circuit current with the engine OFF, the energy management control unit can deactivate loads via the CAN in
extreme circumstances and thus prevent excessive battery discharge.There are 6 stages of battery shut off.


The individual deactivation stages are initiated by the energy management control unit in line with the charge of the vehicle
battery.


The deactivation stages result in the
following:
Deactivation stage 1
Convenience CAN loads are deactivated.


Deactivation stage 2
Initiation of this stage results in deactivation of additional convenience
CAN loads. Certain infotainment system restrictions are implemented.


Deactivation stage 3
Reduction of the closed-circuit current is initiated.


Deactivation stage 4 – Transportation mode
This deactivation stage is activated by way of the diagnosis unit and cannot be initiated independently by the energy management control unit.


Deactivation stage 5
The auxiliary heater is deactivated.


Deactivation stage 6
Bus system wake-up action is reduced.Sysyems involved are(depending on the spec)The following systems are involved in load deactivation by way of the closed-circuit manager module in the energy management
control unit:
– MOST bus
Front information display and operating unit control unit J523
CD ROM drive R92
CD changer R41
TV tuner R78
Digital radio R147
Radio module R
Navigation system control unit J401
Digital sound package control unit J525
Telephone/telematics control unit J526 Aerials
Chip card reader control unit J676
The loads/functions deactivated are indicated in the assisted fault-finding routine under "Vehicle information" as part of the "Function
and component selection" section.
Also Convenience CAN
Sunroof electronics control unit J528
Seat adjustment with memory control unit J136
Seat adjustment with memory control unit, front passenger J521
Seat adjustment with memory control unit, rear J522
Climatronic control unit J255
Additional heater control unit J364
Convenience system central control unit J393
Onboard power supply control unit J519
Onboard power supply control unit 2 J520
Door control unit J386
Door control unit J387
Door control unit J388
Door control unit J389
Entry and start authorisation control unit J518
Tyre pressure monitor control unit J502
Control unit with display in dash panel insert J285
Driver identification control unit J589

Giovanni Giovino 6.0+6.0TT

Any update ?

05A8W12

Giovanni...
I did read your message with an open mind and did not take any offense whatsoever. Thank you very much for the info.

I want to be able to fix my own Audi and normally when it is something small I can take care of it. But once we get to something advanced I often do not have the skill set. I am an Private Audi Mechanic Wannabe.

Seems like I replaced the battery a few months ago - but you are correct it was in Dec 2015. I did replace the battery and that solved the No Key Identified Issue. Then I started looking into the Kessy. I was told to test to make sure the Kessy was getting power. I removed the seat and pulled the Kessy and there were so many connection I really did not know how to test it is was getting power with the multimeter and gave up. I did not check the battery's voltage nor did I have it load tested. I do not drive this car everyday -- probably 3 or 4 days a week. I do not put a battery tender on it.

Very interesting Info on the Viper Car starter. Wish I woudl have know that a long time ago. The remote starter is still installed and I am not sure exactly how I would remove it.

I apologize for not following up on some of my threads. Usually I get to the point where I am so frustrated I just walk away from the problem. From here on out I will make sure to finish out all my threads.

So ... I had the car towed to my Local Audi Dealership last week. They called on Friday saying they could not get the car out of park nor could they get the key out of the ignition. They asked if I had another key so they could get in the truck because they needed to charge the battery. I told them the spare key was in the driver side door but the battery did not need to be charged. I told them if they wiggle the shifter and pull the key it would come out. I told them again the issue was with one or all three of these: Ignition switch / Remote starter Causing Issues / Bad Kessy. The guy asked me "what's a Kessy?" Kinda made me laugh.

So at this point I am waiting for a call back from the dealership. I am not 100% confident they are going to have an exact solution. Once I hear I will advise what they have to say.

Question .. if I am not confident the deal can fix it or it is just too much money -- is there any independent or member of this forum who thinks they could fix this that I can hire ? I live close to Toledo Ohio.

Let me know.
Thanks

Giovanni Giovino 6.0+6.0TT

John,
I understand your frustration, believe me !


Take a look at this thread by Doc A8, it is a long one, 90 posts at the moment, he had many of the same issues as you, stuck in park, message in DIS, power for KESSY, no push button start, ETC. ETC., PLEASE read the whole thread all the way though to get the flow and understanding, it will really help you to understand the workings of your vehicle for this situation, at least I hoping this may be your problem, if you can get me a fresh scan that would be very helpful,
as you will read in the Doc's thread, I chased it down to a $10 relay for TERMINAL 15 !!

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/a8-...-work-2905353/








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05A8W12

I read the entire post/thread. Yes - that was very helpful. Few things I can take away from that. #1 - I need to be more patient and work things through. #2 - I need to do some self training to understand how to use a multimeter better.

Like I said the car is at the Dealership now so I can't get a new scan at this point. Once I hear back from the dealer I will follow up with what they have to say. Thanks Giovanni.

John

mishar

I wouldn't expect anything good from those guys if they don't know how to do those two things. It looks like waste of money. Big money if they start throwing parts at it.

05A8W12

The Audi dealer has had the car for several days. They think the car not starting is due to a bad Kessy - They say it showed signs of being waterlogged. I did have some water issues over the past few months. A few times water came out of the vent near the accelerator but not much and I did hear some gargling in a vent in the pillar. Right now they are planning on replacing the Kessy and reprogramming keys as well as clean out all Sunroof & Cowl drains. I don't believe this will fix the MMI issue but it should get the car back up and running. Once I get the car back I will follow up.

storka

+1
getting the key out is simple also work around to get it out of park