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Old 02-28-2008, 04:57 PM
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Default X-post: Coolest thing since sliced bread for those that don't wanna invest in real-deal harnesses...

<ul><li><a href="https://forums.audiworld.com/9080/msgs/432052.phtml">CG Lock</a></li></ul>
Old 02-28-2008, 07:36 PM
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Default They aren't street legal are they? Schroth ones are.

I could not find anything saying they are street legal.
Still a good alternative.
Old 02-29-2008, 04:32 AM
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Default I'm sure they are since it doesnt affect the inertial shoulder restraint or the...

mounting points at either end. Additionally they're sold to police, ambulance, fire and other emergency response teams/vehicles. I too could find no "street legal" mention but conversely could find nothing that specifically says, or would imply that they are not street legal either. I'm sure getting NHTSA to sign off on something like this takes years. But some things like this are just to good to blow 5 years, half of your new patent's "exclusivity" term, waiting for approval. This is just SUCH a smart, common sense item that I'm personally comfortable going with in lieu of it's acceptance or approval as legal. To me "safety" will always take precedent over "legality" in ALL matters as they relate to me/mine.

And only "some" models of Schroth harnesses are street legal, ie; the ones that retain/use stock mounting points tho no one would argue their increased safety on the streets over typical single belt restraint systems. Others are not certified street legal as they would require someone inspect the work and new mounting locations used in their installation. No US government agency is going to do that. Thats why the racing sanctioning bodies like SCCA, NASA, USAC, NHRA, NASCAR, FIA and others rely on their own technical inspections of a harnesses crash-worthiness.

And I'm not sure any cop would ever know they didnt come from the factory because it's such a small component and looks VERY OEM when in place. And I'm not sure a cop standing outside a drivers window could ever even see it with the driver seated &amp; buckled up. I think cops are more interested in seeing someone wearing a seatbelt than looking for or trying to identify if the belt loop has something extra bolted to it and questioning if that alteration might be up to current DOT or NHTSA standards for the particular car its being used in. It's entirely possible that the cop stopping you may have them in his/her patrol car.

Lastly, I'm not sure "legality" is the be all/end all concern when it comes to personal safety. If it's not street legal it still remains safer than the system it improves upon. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all to see car manufacturers pick this concept up and run with it in the future.

And it was racers that first used seat belts decades before they became mandatory in cars. And many of those racers believed in the concept so strongly they were installing them in their family cars. I wonder if that was "legal?" ;-)

*UPDATE*

I did just find the below statement at the CG Lock website FAQ and included the link below:

&lt;&lt;Is it safe to use a CG-Lock on a seat belt? Yes. The CG-Lock has been extensively tested using industry accepted FMVSS safety standards (Derived NCAP mid sized sedan pulse used. Tests performed to FMVSS 208). In brief, some of the same studies required for new seat belts as required by the U.S. Department of Transportation's National Highway Transportation Safety Administration Division (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards 208, 210, and 213) were used to simultaneously compare seat belts with and without the CG-Lock installed. Replicate crash test simulations were conducted at 20 and 35 mile an hour frontal, 20 miles an hour lateral, and in a rollover simulation. Professional analysis of the test data showed there was no reduction (impairment or inhibition) of seat belt performance when a CG-Lock was installed. Low speed tests showed better occupant stability for the seat belt with the CG-Lock installed under both frontal and lateral g (gravity) loads.&gt;&gt;<ul><li><a href="http://www.cg-lock.com/faq.html">CG Lock FAQ</a></li></ul>
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Default Re: the seat/butt interface...

<center><img src="http://www.nic.fi/~ruuna/pics/muut/bullit.jpg"></center><p>...Brilliant! Optional &amp; variable butt immobilzation. IIRC some vehicles tighten these at some perceived threshold (but too late?).

I had only heard of these &amp; was just looking for one. What with all my slipery/bulky winter wear on, I could even use this today; and my lower back would probably appreciate it as well. Thanks.

More useful than airbags, IMHO. Might as well be snug, <i>before</i> you need to be.

Reminds me of that car chase scene in "Bullit", (pre shoulder-harness?) at the lights, just before they went for it.
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