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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 05:42 PM
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I have a 02 A4 and the CEL comes on with a code of PO431 (Catalytic eficiancy below treshold - Bank 2) Does this mean bad O2 sensors or bad Catalytic Converter? I've been reading online about this code and some people are saying that it's the O2 sensors and some are saying that it's the Catalytic Converter. Any suggestions?
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 06:02 PM
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I have a 02 A4 and the CEL comes on with a code of PO431 (Catalytic eficiancy below treshold - Bank 2) Does this mean bad O2 sensors or bad Catalytic Converter? I've been reading online about this code and some people are saying that it's the O2 sensors and some are saying that it's the Catalytic Converter. Any suggestions?
Is this a 3.0L engine? It could be the O2 sensors or the catalytic. I would replace the front and rear bank 2 O2 sensors first and if the DTC code comes back, then the catalytic is bad.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 06:29 PM
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the way the system actually figures out cat efficiency makes me think o2 sensor is highly unlikely. its looking for the rear o2 sensor so have a smooth pattern without much activity, meaning the cat is doing it job. if it starts seeing too much fluctuation in correlation to what the front o2 sensors are saying, it throws a code for the offending bank. Its usually the cat itself, vw/audi seems to have made a big batch of junk ones.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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Is this a 3.0L engine? It could be the O2 sensors or the catalytic. I would replace the front and rear bank 2 O2 sensors first and if the DTC code comes back, then the catalytic is bad.
Yes, it's a 3.0. I've also noticed that the car vibrates when it's in gear. Not sure if it has anything to do with the CEL.
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 07:36 PM
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Cheap gas. When I use regular the code shows. I clear it and use premium and no light. Save yourself some $$$ and use premium fuel.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cheybey
Cheap gas. When I use regular the code shows. I clear it and use premium and no light. Save yourself some $$$ and use premium fuel.
Premium gas is all I ever use on this car.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 09:01 AM
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the way the system actually figures out cat efficiency makes me think o2 sensor is highly unlikely. its looking for the rear o2 sensor so have a smooth pattern without much activity, meaning the cat is doing it job. if it starts seeing too much fluctuation in correlation to what the front o2 sensors are saying, it throws a code for the offending bank. Its usually the cat itself, vw/audi seems to have made a big batch of junk ones.
That's not how the system checks the cat efficiency. It changes the mixture and look at the front and rear O2 sensors readings during the test phase, not just looking at a stable rear O2 sensor. Based off the front reading changes, it will compare it to the rear readings and determine the cats efficiency, BUT, if the O2 sensors are aging and are off there specs, it can through a false cat efficiency fault. That's why the first repair to try is O2 sensors, more so on an older car.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bernes1982
Yes, it's a 3.0. I've also noticed that the car vibrates when it's in gear. Not sure if it has anything to do with the CEL.
If your cat is clogged, it can create misfires on the bank its on. A bad bank 2 cat will cause misfires on bank 2 of the engine and make is run rough.
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Old Jun 14, 2012 | 07:44 AM
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Is there any way to test the O2 sensors to find out if they are bad?
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ezveedub
That's not how the system checks the cat efficiency. It changes the mixture and look at the front and rear O2 sensors readings during the test phase, not just looking at a stable rear O2 sensor. Based off the front reading changes, it will compare it to the rear readings and determine the cats efficiency, BUT, if the O2 sensors are aging and are off there specs, it can through a false cat efficiency fault. That's why the first repair to try is O2 sensors, more so on an older car.
What your saying is the same thing. Sure the system might somtimes change mixture as a self test like the air injection system, but its still looking for a smooth pattern with little activity on the rear sensor in comparison to the front sensors. Im not wrong, and neither are you.
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