This is going to hurt. Six speed manual.
10-16-2005, 12:34 AM
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Hurt no. That is exactly what I was talking about. Are you going to divulge the info and costs?
That is my fall back if I see my downhill thump come back.
Other wise the A8 is getting kicked down the road.
Good work, I am willing to say we are all very proud of you.
Other wise the A8 is getting kicked down the road.
Good work, I am willing to say we are all very proud of you.
10-16-2005, 05:04 AM
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Group buy!
He got the 6 speed off of ebay from a 2000 S4. He did the install and all the engineering by himself. Bravo!
Though he did promise his wife that he wouldn't help anyone with this because he was spending too much time on it. We may have to bribe her with a car or something.
Though he did promise his wife that he wouldn't help anyone with this because he was spending too much time on it. We may have to bribe her with a car or something.
10-16-2005, 07:04 AM
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coolant tube along back of engine in middle pic
has a hunk of rubber hose in the middle of it. Is that standard/stock, or is that specific to your engine?
... just what I need, another bit of hose in a completely inaccessible spot on the engine.
... just what I need, another bit of hose in a completely inaccessible spot on the engine.
10-16-2005, 07:17 AM
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A Little of the Story
Gabor told me about it yesterday. He said it was VERY difficult to pull off, a lot of modifications via a machine shop (which he has at work, does the work after hours) and using a lift (his transmission buddy gave him a life for a few weeks).
First off, sounds like he has a few hundred hours in it at least.
Bought a locked up B5 S4 transmission, rear end, flywheel and clutch off a guy on ebay. The tranny required a tear down and rebuild. Not too much wrong with it, but it was locked when he got it. Only thing Gabor had was the ETKA diagram!
Just make these parts first:
Clutch pedal, cut the brake pedal down
Then he did the following:
Drop the 02 A8 tranny he had in his car that replaced the 97 tranny that failed (this tranny is now in Jack's 97).
Flywheel: Take the S4 flywheel, weld up all the 8 mounting holes and redrill them for the ABZ engine, which is a 10 bolt hole pattern....not easy.
Hook up your home made clutch pedal, he bought a master cylinder from a VW I believe....there are some VW parts there.
He had to modify the transmission mounts by cutting and welding to move them (I think).
Try and get the tranny up in there.
Drop the rear end and put the S4 rear end in, it's 14" longer towards the front as compared to the A8 rear end.
What to do with the driveshaft you ask? Oh, just cut 14" off the rear part of it which is steel on the 97 (only the front is carbon fiber), make a press fit 4" sleeve and press the two parts of the shaft into it, then seal weld it 360 degrees around. Now you can bolt your drive shaft up.
Then you have to disconnect the TCU, so there is a check engine light on all the time until that is worked out.
Did I mention shifter linkage?? He had to cut and weld the S4 linkage so it would work. After he got it in, took it out to do a short shift mod, it's a very short throw, just awesome.
Then other electrical problems such as starting the car, he left the F125 transmission switch in the "P" position so it will allow the car to be started, it's just sitting under the hood.
Still to be worked out is the cruise control and clutch safety start switch.
As I said, Gabor said it was very challenging, if it's coming from him, you know it's hard!!!
Awesome job Gabor....it's really smooth.
First off, sounds like he has a few hundred hours in it at least.
Bought a locked up B5 S4 transmission, rear end, flywheel and clutch off a guy on ebay. The tranny required a tear down and rebuild. Not too much wrong with it, but it was locked when he got it. Only thing Gabor had was the ETKA diagram!
Just make these parts first:
Clutch pedal, cut the brake pedal down
Then he did the following:
Drop the 02 A8 tranny he had in his car that replaced the 97 tranny that failed (this tranny is now in Jack's 97).
Flywheel: Take the S4 flywheel, weld up all the 8 mounting holes and redrill them for the ABZ engine, which is a 10 bolt hole pattern....not easy.
Hook up your home made clutch pedal, he bought a master cylinder from a VW I believe....there are some VW parts there.
He had to modify the transmission mounts by cutting and welding to move them (I think).
Try and get the tranny up in there.
Drop the rear end and put the S4 rear end in, it's 14" longer towards the front as compared to the A8 rear end.
What to do with the driveshaft you ask? Oh, just cut 14" off the rear part of it which is steel on the 97 (only the front is carbon fiber), make a press fit 4" sleeve and press the two parts of the shaft into it, then seal weld it 360 degrees around. Now you can bolt your drive shaft up.
Then you have to disconnect the TCU, so there is a check engine light on all the time until that is worked out.
Did I mention shifter linkage?? He had to cut and weld the S4 linkage so it would work. After he got it in, took it out to do a short shift mod, it's a very short throw, just awesome.
Then other electrical problems such as starting the car, he left the F125 transmission switch in the "P" position so it will allow the car to be started, it's just sitting under the hood.
Still to be worked out is the cruise control and clutch safety start switch.
As I said, Gabor said it was very challenging, if it's coming from him, you know it's hard!!!
Awesome job Gabor....it's really smooth.
10-16-2005, 07:38 AM
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Clutch safety solution
Clutch safety switch problems solved.
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Then other electrical problems such as starting the car, he left the F125 transmission switch in the "P" position so it will allow the car to be started, it's just sitting under the hood.
Still to be worked out is the cruise control and clutch safety start switch.
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Sounds like the Park Position sensor needs to be wired to an intermittent switch under the clutch pedal (a loaner from an VW/Audi in a junk yard) and your done.
Just need a happy pill for the TCU and he has created a miracle.
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Then other electrical problems such as starting the car, he left the F125 transmission switch in the "P" position so it will allow the car to be started, it's just sitting under the hood.
Still to be worked out is the cruise control and clutch safety start switch.
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Sounds like the Park Position sensor needs to be wired to an intermittent switch under the clutch pedal (a loaner from an VW/Audi in a junk yard) and your done.
Just need a happy pill for the TCU and he has created a miracle.
10-16-2005, 07:40 AM
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Thanks Paul! Here are some pictures.
Here is the tranny after the cleaning.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn2206.jpg">
You will need a clutch pedal too.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dsc02846.jpg">
Time to test the shifter.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn00021.jpg">
Let's wire up the reverse light and the mirror tilt.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/1111_4.jpg">
4.111>3.7 who is the winner now?!
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/223_5.jpg">
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn2206.jpg">
You will need a clutch pedal too.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dsc02846.jpg">
Time to test the shifter.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn00021.jpg">
Let's wire up the reverse light and the mirror tilt.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/1111_4.jpg">
4.111>3.7 who is the winner now?!
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/223_5.jpg">
10-16-2005, 07:54 AM
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And of course thanks for Eddie! I couldn't have done it without his help.
He let me use one of his lift for two weeks. I surprised him with a 350 gallon fish tank.
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn00021_10.jpg">
<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/80919/dscn00021_10.jpg">