TTear

and help me make my choice.
Please, give a plain explanation for each choice of yours so that I know where each product has its advantages. Also, if you have any kind of information on any of these products (disadvantages, experiences) please let me know

Amps :

1. Audison LRx 5.600

<img src="http://www.audison.it/content/big/lrx5foto.jpg">

<img src="http://www.audison.it/content/lrx5tab.gif">

2. MTX Thunder895

<img src="http://www.mtxaudio.com/caraudio/images/ampThunder895_400.jpg">

Specifications -&gt; RMS Power 12.5 VDC (2 Ohm Load 320 w x 1 and 70 w x 4, 4 Ohm Load 160 w x 1 and 35 w x 4, Bridged 4 Ohm Load 140 w x 2), Dynamic Power 14.4 VDC (2 Ohm Load 490 w x 1 and 100 w x 4, 4 Ohm Load 245 w x 1 and 50 w x 4, Bridged 4 Ohm Load 200 w x 2), Input : Low Level Input, Crossover(s) Hi Pass @ 85Hz - Front/Rear, Fixed, Defeatable Low Pass @ 85Hz - Sub Channel Fixed Thunder EQ EBC2 Port, Dimensions (with ISO Feet) 15.6" x 9.75" x 2.1" (39.7cm x 24.8cm x 5.3cm)

3. Beyma VR 5200

<img src="http://car.beyma.com/get_img.php?id=83">

R.M.S. POWER
at 4 ohm 75w x 4+200x1
at 2ohm 120w x 4+250x1

BRIDGED
at 4 ohm 180x2+200x1

4. Directed 6550 (6ch)

<img src="http://www.drdetailshop.com/Directed6550med.jpg">

Dynamic Power Rating : 700 watts, S/N &gt;95 dB, Freq. Resp. 20Hz-20kHz, Damping Factor &gt;100, Input Sensitivity 150mV to 8V, Rated Power @ 4 ohm (WRMS) 50 x 4 (ch 1-4) 75 x 2 (ch 5-6), Rated Power @ 2 ohm (WRMS) 75 x 4 (ch 1-4) 125 x 2 (ch 5-6).

5. Ultimate T3 5600

<img src="http://www.ultimate-sound.com/products/amplifiers/images/T3_5600.jpg">

Bridged Output- 4 Ohms 2 x 300 Watts, 1 x 300 Watts
Output Max- 2 Ohms 4 x 150 Watts, 1 x 300 Watts
Output RMS - 2 Ohms 4 x 75 Watts, 1 x 150 Watts
Output Max - 4 Ohms 4 x 100 Watts, 1 x 200 Watts
Output RMS - 4 Ohms 4 x 50 Watts,1 x100 Watts
THD &lt;0.03%
Signal to Noise Ratio &gt;100dBA
Frequency Response 10Hz - 30KHz
Bass Boost N/A
Low Pass Crossover Variable, 40 - 240Hz
High Pass Crossover Variable, 40 - 240Hz
Sub-Sonic Filter 20Hz
Input Sensitivity 100mV-1.5V
Speaker Level Input N/A
Line Output N/A
Protection 5-Ways
Dimensions/mm 400x301.6x55.3
Dimensions/inches 15.7x11.9x2.18


Subs :


1. SPL ELF-12

<img src="http://www.splusa.net/images/woofers/elf_1.jpg">

* 500 watts power handling
* 250 watts RMS
* 60 oz. magnet
* 2" kapton voice coil
* SPL 92 dB
* Sealed box: 1.5 cu. ft.
* Ported box: 2.1 cu. ft.
* Tuning: 30 Hz
* Port size: 3" (dia) x 8.3" (length)
* # of ports: 1

2. Directed 5122

<img src="http://www.directed.com/audio/subs/compx/images/compx.jpg">

Size 12"
Magnet 80 oz.
Power Handling 800 watts RMS/1200 watts peak
Freq. Resp. 20Hz -1000Hz
Efficiency 90dB
Fs 29Hz
Re 4 ohm
Qts 0.44
Vas/liter/ft3 59.3/2.10
Xmax 19mm
Depth 6 1/8"

3. Ultimate PS12

<img src="http://www.ultimate-sound.com/products/subwoofers/images/PS12.jpg">

Platinum Subwoofer 12" / 305mm
4-Layer, KaptonŽ Voice Coil 2"/50mm
Impedance 4 Ohms
Magnet 65 Oz.
Power RMS 275 Watts
Power MAX 550 Watts
Frequency Response 25 Hz - 500 Hz
Sensitivity 92.5dB
Fs 28Hz
Qts 0.34
Vas 4.2Ft3/117.7Liters
Xmax 0.3"/7mm
Mounting Depth 5.8"/147mm


Speakers :


1. Macrom MIS.60

<img src="http://www.macrom.ch/pict/spk/m1s60.jpg">

- Son of EXTREME
- Fiberglass hi-tech cone with chrome phase plug
- Original die cast injected aluminum basket
- Orientable Ø25mm silk dome tweeter, ferrofluid cooled
- Original crystal 12db/oct passive x-over with polypropylene condenser,
air coil, adjustable tweeter level, and active tweeter protection by ptc
- Ø32mm TIL voice coil on the woofer
- Multi mounting kit for the tweeter
- Chrome plates
- Very high power handling 160w, 80 W rms
- Frequency response : 40 Hz - 25 kHz
- Sensitivity : 90dB
- Impedance : 4 ohms
- Mouting depth : 60 mm
- Grilles not included

2. Directed Studio components s650

<img src="http://www.directed.com/audio/speakers/studio/images/studio.jpg">

Size 6 1/2"
Magnet 53 g, neo
Power Handling 100 watts RMS/150 peak
Impedance 4 ohm
Freq. Resp. 40Hz - 22kHz
Efficiency 91 dB @ 1 watt/1 meter
Tweeter Description 25mm neodymium silk dome
Crossovers 6/12 dB 2-way w/Zobel network
Depth 2 1/2"

3. Focal K2 Power 165 KP

<img src="http://www.focal-america.com/catalog/K2%20Power/Images/165kp_big.jpg">

2 way separate system.
165mm (6.5") woofer,
25mm (1") v.coil,
85mm (3-1/3") magnet.
TN 52 tioxid 5 tweeter.
Separate crossover
18 dB/oct. (3.8kHz).
Adjustable tweeter and midrange level.
Max. power handling: 160W.
Nominal, power handling: 80W.
Sensitivity (2.8 V/1m): 91dB.
Frequency response:
60Hz-22kHz.
Grills included.

4. Ultimate PS65

<img src="http://www.ultimate-sound.com/products/components/images/PS65.jpg">

Platinum Mid-woofer 6.5"/165mm
Diamond Plated, Titanium Swivel Tweeter 1"/25mm
Impedance 4 Ohms
Power RMS 80 Watts
Power MAX 160 Watts
Frequency Response 55Hz -25Khz
Sensitivity- 92.5dB
Mid-woofer Mounting Depth- 2.6"/64mm
Crossover Network- 2-Way, 12dB



That is all!

The system is for an Audi TT Coupe and will probably include a 5ch amp, a 12" sub, 6,5" components front speakers and 6,5" rear coaxials. I didn't mention any coaxials as they depend on the choice of the fronts and will be similar to them.

Any comment is welcome or if you have any other suggestions. Thanks in advance for every reply...

P.S. I know there are many other products superior to these, but I'm trying to keep the cost at a reasonable level as much as I can.

Aris

illuminist

What type of music do you listen to? Would help to decide on components, whether you want something very accurate and dynamic, which would lean more towards a metal dome tweeter like the focals. Or smoother, more laidback... softer tweeters, which would probably be better for Jazz, R&amp;B, female vocals.. to generalize.
I would ditch the rear fill as well. Will allow you to get a much more powerful four channel amp, or a nice two channel and a sub amp. Not to mention free up some of what you had set aside for that. Rear fill is not needed at all, especially in the TT. I don't use any in the A4 and the stage is perfect, which wouldn't be possible with rear fill. With components and a strong amp it will be able to get louder than you can handle.

HIS4

It has the most power output capability in the sub channel and the price is pretty good for what you get. The Audison would be my second choice because of their reputation for quality but they are also $$$ so that's why it is a second choice. As far as speakers, I never pick speakers by looking at specs. The only way to tell is by actually listening to them. Good sound is bery subjective so what someone says is good might not be so hot to someone else.

TTear

Well, since I'm in Europe my budget lies around 1000 - 1300 euros, if that gives you any information. The system will certainly include a 12" sub (big enough to pass the bass into the cabin), front components, rear co-axials and a 5ch. amp so as to keep the setup plain. And I don't have any plans on upgrading after that, so a powerful 5ch would do the trick.

I don't understand what you mean by "rear fill" though... Do you mean filling the rear panels with speakers?

And thanks for the tip, I really didn't know that a metal dome tweeter provides a more dynamic sound... And yes, that's what I'm looking for, accurate and dynamic just like you said it. Actually, I don't listen to R&amp;B or similar kinds of music, but more to dance, pop with loud vocals, which demand a more dynamic and clear audio system, right? So, for my personal necessities the focals have to be a better match according to that... Hmm. Thanks a lot.

illuminist

By having music come from behind you, it will draw the soundstage, which is where you perceive the music to be, rearward.. instead of being out in front of you where it should be. Such as with a home stereo, or concert. By using only front speakers, you will have the best soundstage and imaging.
With this set-up, you could use a nice 4x100 or 4x125 amp, costing the same or less than any 5-6 channel, giving you 100w(125) each to the front speakers, and 400w(500) to the sub.

TTear

I thought that the sound from behind was a must and it served the purpose of providing more complete and full overall sound (as does the sub)... After all, you can always adjust the fader and give the fronts more power than the rears.

TTear

Thanks, although I thought that the Beyma amp was the more powerful with 1x200 for the sub and 4x75... I am seriously thinking of the Audison too, their quality is pretty high.

illuminist

because it provides the range of sub-bass, 80 hz and lower, that cannot be adequately had with components. In competition SQ cars, they do find places in front of the driver and passenger for the sub so that the bass is in front of you, as well as using only front speakers. If you manage to frequent some local shops, and are able to audition different components, see if there are any cars you can listen to with just front components. The sound can be every bit as good as a nice home system. Of course, it does come down to the individuals tastes, but just trying to lend from my experience, and what I prefer.

CusTTom "Quag" WesTT

and you don't need a 12" necessarily.

CusTTom "Quag" WesTT

I'd say keep it. I've run them both ways, and though, yes, for competition, it's better to only run the front for imaging... the TT sounds better IMO with "some" rear fill.