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Old 12-09-2004, 09:55 PM
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Default Poll: Best swirl remover for Brillant Black paint....

I've search thru the forum and found several to choose from, but I thought I would post a thread to see what everyone's opinion is. I have used One-Grand Omega Glaze and a PC orbital previously with some success.
Old 12-10-2004, 04:41 AM
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Default 3M

3M Swirl Mark Remover for Dark paints and Menzerna Final Polish are my two favorites.

The key to both of these compounds is to use the compound liberally, buff until you see it break down (gets clear looking and slightly watery.) And do not buff until dry. Also be sure to work the area SLOWLY and small sections at a time. Speed 4-5 with the PC.<ul><li><a href="http://store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?autopia+GjQk9r+men-fp16.html">Menzerna</a></li></ul>
Old 12-10-2004, 06:32 AM
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Default I'm curious - what are your thoughts on varying the speed of the PC?

I know some think that you spread the product at a slow speed (reducing sling), speed up to 4-5 when working the product in, and then either speed up faster or slow down (conflicting opinions) after the material has begun to break down. Seems this might be overkill to me. I don't see the reasoning behind changing speeds once you've begun to work the product into/over the surface. Can anyone enlighten me?
Old 12-10-2004, 10:50 AM
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Default Myth...

Speeding up and slowing down does nothing. When the compound breaks down it's almost time to stop buffing before it starts to flash dry, but no reason to slow the speed.

As far as starting up, you should apply the compound in an "X" across the whole diameter of the pad and then place it flat on the paint surface and fire it up. I never start off at a slow speed, but if that makes you feel more comfortable saturating the pad slowly at first it won't hurt. After a while you will get a knack for starting without flinging.
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Default Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Seems to me that once the product is broken down, you stop. At that point, altering the speed of the PC isn't going to change the effect it (or the product) has on the paint surface.
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Default Question for you

Why do you refer to the 3M Swirl Remover and Menzerna Products as Compounds ? "Technically" aern't they classified as polishes ? I was under the impression that compounds removed a certain amount of clearcoat according to its grade ?
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Default Terminology....

They are all polishing compounds. They are all abrasives. "Polish" is a much more consumer oriented term because it is better known. It gets used a lot. More correctly, the term is used when describing the products we are discussing here.

But often polish is incorrectly used when referring to simple "cleaner waxes". Waxes with solvents and or abrasives. "Polish" gets mixed up with "wax" so often I have learned to avoid the term!

To my knowledge there is no industry standard that dictates the differences between calling something a compound and a polish. The general inference is that a compound is a heavier cutting abrasive but they still fall under the same category: abrasive compounds. Different companies rate their abrasives differently. So who knows.
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Default I prefer Meguiar's #9, follwed by a hand rub with #7 glaze and some #26 wax . . .

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Nice! Did you use an orbital w/ the #9?
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Default Nope, old school here . . . rotary 6138 or something, have to check my sig

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