EvilBob

I saw a clean one for sale and it got me wondering.

|skolnick

no

MonkeyLover

It's got way too much power for a beginner...110bhp I believe. Plus, it books for around $6000. You could buy TWO SV650s for that kind of money...or just ONE highly modified one ; )

For that kind of money, you can get a bike that's much better suited for a beginner. An SV650 is my recommendation...or you could go cheap and find a late 80s, early 90s GS500F or Ninja 500R.

BeeRock::Riding Red

usually bikers with experience tell begineers to stay away formt he bigger 1000cc bikes because they have mroe torque then the 600's that translates into the reason to stay away. the 1000cc bikes will rip the rear tire loose if you crack the throttle.

the vtwin style bikes have even mroe torque then a 1000cc bike so it makes them even less unforgiving to ride then say a 600cc

the v twins may be slwoer up top but through turns they are faster, then your inline.

MonkeyLover

<center><img src="http://images.sportrider.com/bikes/dyno-2002-hon-vfr800.gif"></center><p>Here's a chart for the 02 VFR800.

Just because they're twins doesn't mean they have a huge advantage in torque...or ANY advantage for that matter when discussing ALL inlines.

More torque than a 600? Yes...but slightly. Most of the 600s are averaging around 47-49ft-lbs.

More than a literbike? Mmmm...not so much. The 08 CBR1000RR is putting almost 79ft-lbs to the rear wheel! Here's the link because I don't know how to put multiple images in here.

http://images.sportrider.com/bikes/146_02_z+2008_literbike_dynos+TQ.jpg

And just because I know you'll mention it, here's a graph for the 02 RC51 ; )

http://images.sportrider.com/bikes/dyno-2002-hon-rc51.gif

BeeRock::Riding Red

im going by the seat of my pants on this one but i feel it holds true. most v twins are low rpm torque monsters

MonkeyLover

...that I posted of the 08 literbikes and your RC51. The CBR1000RR makes around 52ft-lbs at 3000RPM, where your RC51 makes about 55ft-lbs...not much of an advantage. Now, look at 5200RPM where the CBR is making about 61ft-lbs and the RC51 is making around 59ft-lbs. The RC51s torque curve is slightly more linear...but you also have to take in to account that the inline will spin up quicker and build RPMs much faster than the twin. So the inline is making almost identical torque through the lower RPMs.

People seriously underestimate newer inlines. I will agree that in the past twins had a large advantage, but that is much less true today. The twins torque curves are usually much more linear, which makes them more manageable and predictable than an inline...but it doesn't give them a "power" advantage anywhere. They're just usually easier to ride...and that's the advantage.

tpierce

It's a sport touring bike. VFRs are known for being some of, if not the best, sport touring bikes around. 6th gens (02+) got a bad rap due to some people not liking the VTEC system. Changeovers into the VTEC mode can be harsh on some bikes, mine is pretty seamless 95% of the time. Some also have a FI issue with slight stuttering between 4-5.5k rpms. Mine does this sometimes, it's annoying. The power commander really helped this out. They aren't the most powerfull bikes, and do have some heft to them, but they are oh so smooth, the V4 is a great motor and it makes glorious sounds. I've put over 16k miles on mine in less than a year, terrific bike. I love the factory hard bags i have for it to carry all my ****. I like having a bike that handles really well, but i am still able to stay comfortable on for 600+ mile days.

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BeeRock::Riding Red

so more torque can equate to letting the tire loose that much faster. and the responsiveness of a v twin is very snappy. inlines have more of a linear lower powerband and then become animals up top. the v twins are the opposite they have a rough abrupt low end and become very smooth up top, obviously because of less power build up in the upper rpm's

yes v twins do have a smooth power delivery but like i should have said crack the throttle mistakenly in a turn of a 800 vtwin compared to a 600 inline and the tire will let loose. and the vtwins usually have mroe torque then say a 1000cc inline(another words a 800 vtwin is even worse then a 600cc bike and close to a 1000cc)

i think were both on the same page its just my way of wording didnt make sense. its always like that confusing lol

boostedfun

The average street rider is not backing the bike into the corner. As monkeylover already stated the vtwins and current liter bikes are within a few ft lbs of one another throughout the RPM range. The difference being the power curve and the linear aspects of it. The responsiveness can be dependant on gearing too.