soonerfan

Now it seems they want VAG to build EV's in the USA and install charging stations across the US as part of the agreement to the NOx debacle.

How about just agreeing to a remedy of the NOx emissions first and allowing us hapless owners of the vehicles get out of "limbo"?

Don Keener

Well... if they do that in lieu of a monetary fine... then that sounds like a great idea. The fine would be to promote EV and bring jobs into the US instead of lining the governments pockets.

A4rooster

Yeah, on the surface this could be a win-win solution for all, no?

soonerfan

Agree 100%, but we TDI owners are virtually handcuffed until our vehicles are "cured" or bought back by VAG.

Deckardk

Couldn't disagree more.

If it was VW pushing this arrangement, fine. But for the EPA to mandate this as part of any settlement is government overreach, pure and simple.

Told you folks the EPA couldn't be trusted.

Deckardk

So the means justify the end? This isn't government' role.

soonerfan

We TDI owners are victims of both entities. It's like being a child in a very messy, punitive divorce.

Deckardk

^ Exactly. And if the EPA tries to ram this up VW's ***, VW could counter-sue... and win, but not before it goes before the Supremes in a couple of years.

Don Keener

I do see your point... They could give VAG a choice... pay the 'fine' in dollars or by investment in America. VAG could get off easier for the latter as it would make the 'fine' work on their behalf for the future and get a LOT of goodwill.

Deckardk

It’s not within the EPA's purview. But let's imagine for a moment this green agreement playing out. What happens in the long run? In my head, I'm already envisioning the future news reports about how the do-gooder's good intentions backfired.

Government screws up pretty much everything, and nothing will ever convince me that the EPA' proposal is a good idea.

And here's the other thing. Let's say they reach an impass and VW sues. If the EPA has demonstrated in the negotiations that VW's proposed fix will solve the problem, VW might move forward with a fix without the EPA's appoval while the suit moves forward. Wild speculation to be sure, but anything is possible with these two.