Fuel: 4 Bar FPR vs 5 Bar FPR. How does it work?
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Fuel: 4 Bar FPR vs 5 Bar FPR. How does it work?
<center><img src="http://www.modifieda4.com/images/fpr-install/DSC00351.sized.jpg"></center><p>Here is the flow rate for 4 bar vs 5 bar for stock injectors:
349cc/min - S4 w/4bar (stock) 0% larger than stock
390cc/min - S4 w/5bar 12% larger than stock
My setup is going to be GIAC X (K03 code) w/ crushed 4 Bar FPR.
My question is does a 5 Bar (Crushed 4 Bar) flow more than a 4 Bar in every situation i.e. idle, part throttle, or WOT?
If so can the ECU adjust for this extra flow @ Idle and Part throttle? (I know the ECU can adj +/-~25%, is that enough?) I am assuming that @ WOT the ECU will not adjust, however it can be adjusted via Lem.
OR
Does the 5 Bar *allow* to flow more up at top but flows the same at bottom and middle?
Thanks,
Edy
349cc/min - S4 w/4bar (stock) 0% larger than stock
390cc/min - S4 w/5bar 12% larger than stock
My setup is going to be GIAC X (K03 code) w/ crushed 4 Bar FPR.
My question is does a 5 Bar (Crushed 4 Bar) flow more than a 4 Bar in every situation i.e. idle, part throttle, or WOT?
If so can the ECU adjust for this extra flow @ Idle and Part throttle? (I know the ECU can adj +/-~25%, is that enough?) I am assuming that @ WOT the ECU will not adjust, however it can be adjusted via Lem.
OR
Does the 5 Bar *allow* to flow more up at top but flows the same at bottom and middle?
Thanks,
Edy
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Think of it this way....
The ECU opens the injectors for x milliseconds. Regardless of how long the injector is open, you have extra pressure pushing the fuel out. Because of this, you have extra fuel all the time. lemmi out the difference in primary and enjoy.
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I'd agree with jprice. primary in lemmi is a multiplicative adjustment
meaning fuel is added or pulled in proportion to load (*dependent* on throttle pos). Changing FP is a multiplicative adjustment in hardware since injector on time x fp is proportional to total flow. Therefore, the primary fuel adaptation channel in lemmi should be able to adjust/account for the FPR change in all load/rpm scenarios.
You'll obviously need to lemmi out ~10% primary, so presumably your idle & pt trims should stay within a reasonable 5-10% window.
You'll obviously need to lemmi out ~10% primary, so presumably your idle & pt trims should stay within a reasonable 5-10% window.
#6
agree.. start with where you think it might be a touch rich.
If you had things right on with the 4 bar fpr, and you expect 12% more fuel, start with 10% less on primary vs where you had it set while running the 4 bar fpr
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I had the same question a while back, but did not get a definitive answer
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/44371/5bar.jpg"></center><p>from crushed FPR supplier. Being on **** side, I just bought an original 5bar later on. From size of fuel passages I would assume it flows better, but I did not have any issues for 8 months of use of crushed 4bar