someones trying to tell me that technically quattro isnt AWD....
10-04-2005, 04:33 AM
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From what i can gather TT and A3 will use Haldex which isn't technically AWD.
It's 2wd, then automatically switches to AWD when needs to. He must be thinking that all Audis were Haldex. Audi causing crap tons of confusion with throwing out the word Quattro too easily. Long story short is that our cars=the most advanced AWD system in production today
10-04-2005, 05:59 AM
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I was actually thinking of that when I wrote the last line.
I'm definitely not an expert, i just personally have more faith in 20 years of german development over relatively new japanese systems. So now I'll ammend my last line..."one of the best AWD sytems is production today" 
10-04-2005, 06:21 AM
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my friend has the g35X .. and i have to tell you that when you engage manually (button activated)
the front wheels (for snow) ..the car is a DOG it cuts 1/4 of its power (not that it actually has any to begin with ),and it is not responsive ...
the only awesome awd jap vehicles are the ones running the Paris-Dakar rally ..and God know who actually built these ;p
let's be honest when the americans and the europeans were building cars , japs were riding horses and were fighting with swords ,bows and arrows hehe .
the only awesome awd jap vehicles are the ones running the Paris-Dakar rally ..and God know who actually built these ;p
let's be honest when the americans and the europeans were building cars , japs were riding horses and were fighting with swords ,bows and arrows hehe .
10-04-2005, 06:49 AM
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you mean a 1/4 centuries old american engineering...
torsen was developed by an american named gleason. german engineering is not any better or worse then american or japanese etc...
i like the purely mechanical systems like a torsen quattro better because it is TRUE instant reaction and torque transfer, not guided by electric gizmos...
HOWEVER the new systems in japanese cars out there today (like in electroniacally controlled multi plate hydaraulic clutch of the STI or EVO or even the almost decade old ATTESA in the skyline) are the a near equal or BETTER then a torsen (this does not apply to the old viccous coupling reactive type systems in most manaul tranny subes or the early bmw 3 series ix...not xi...don't get me started on how that sucks...only the xdrive is acceptable bmw modern awd).
the proof is in the pudding...plus SOME of those systems allow transfer not only front to back but also side to side via a true LSD or in ATTESA's case another true diff (if memorey serves me)...EDL on quattro 4 can hardly compete.
Quattro IV is awsome, but its time is limited. i predict MY 2009 A4's to have the engien mounted behind the axle for the first ime in audi passengar car history with a new AWD setup (quattro V???)
i like the purely mechanical systems like a torsen quattro better because it is TRUE instant reaction and torque transfer, not guided by electric gizmos...
HOWEVER the new systems in japanese cars out there today (like in electroniacally controlled multi plate hydaraulic clutch of the STI or EVO or even the almost decade old ATTESA in the skyline) are the a near equal or BETTER then a torsen (this does not apply to the old viccous coupling reactive type systems in most manaul tranny subes or the early bmw 3 series ix...not xi...don't get me started on how that sucks...only the xdrive is acceptable bmw modern awd).
the proof is in the pudding...plus SOME of those systems allow transfer not only front to back but also side to side via a true LSD or in ATTESA's case another true diff (if memorey serves me)...EDL on quattro 4 can hardly compete.
Quattro IV is awsome, but its time is limited. i predict MY 2009 A4's to have the engien mounted behind the axle for the first ime in audi passengar car history with a new AWD setup (quattro V???)
10-04-2005, 07:00 AM
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your last sentence...i got to say something there....
if you want to talk about history...please realize most of asia had "society" when most of europe was still in the "hunter/gathtering" nomad state. **off the soap box**
**back onto soap box**
and yes western civilization raced ahead with the industrial revolution and all that...but then look at modern history and how fast japan is catching up in some places and how they they are in fact leading in others.
**PS I know you were not serious in your last comment but I didn't want people reading it and thinking..."yeah thats right, those backward *** slow people".
**back onto soap box**
and yes western civilization raced ahead with the industrial revolution and all that...but then look at modern history and how fast japan is catching up in some places and how they they are in fact leading in others.
**PS I know you were not serious in your last comment but I didn't want people reading it and thinking..."yeah thats right, those backward *** slow people".
10-04-2005, 04:34 PM
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ok, so you're first link provides different defs, but the 2nd uses the terms interchangably
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