Which tire is better Toyo T1-S or SO-3's ? anyone have any experience with these tires.........
10-28-2002, 05:43 PM
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Which tire is better Toyo T1-S or SO-3's ? anyone have any experience with these tires.........
how do you like them? Are they noisy over uneven surfaces, how do they compare on handling/grip. As far what I have supplement the handling is ABT full suspension. Would the tires further improve handling? Thanks
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T1-S Opinions
I found the Toyos to be quiet and smooth. The ride quality is great, I
was definitely impressed in that respect. They're also a very light tire.
The compound and tread pattern are stunning for the wet. They will
shrug off just about any water you can throw at them and offer good
feedback and progressive manners even when it's slick out (I know, I
have played with them quite hard in the rain).
Turn in is nice but not fantastically snappy - on the other hand they're
very resistant to tramlining and hunting. They're generally responsive
if not at the very highest levels money can buy (few are better though).
Dry pavement grip in the warm months is reliable and they break free if
you taunt them, without making a lot of noise when they do. They lose
traction predictably and progressively and give you lots of communication
about where they are before they start letting go (feeling - not audible).
So, generally I quite confidently recommend the T1-S though they aren't
quite at the absolute highest end of the spectrum from 100% highest on
the market dry response and grip.
That said, I don't think there's a tire on the market except the S-03 - and
some even disagree here - that will give you the stunnning wet dominance
of the T1-S. Killer rain tire, no question. I have NEVER felt them hydroplane,
and they'll happily stick like glue or drift predictably (your choice depending
on input) in the wet. Four inches of standing water at 50 MPH: imperceptible.
Look at the pricing, and decide.
was definitely impressed in that respect. They're also a very light tire.
The compound and tread pattern are stunning for the wet. They will
shrug off just about any water you can throw at them and offer good
feedback and progressive manners even when it's slick out (I know, I
have played with them quite hard in the rain).
Turn in is nice but not fantastically snappy - on the other hand they're
very resistant to tramlining and hunting. They're generally responsive
if not at the very highest levels money can buy (few are better though).
Dry pavement grip in the warm months is reliable and they break free if
you taunt them, without making a lot of noise when they do. They lose
traction predictably and progressively and give you lots of communication
about where they are before they start letting go (feeling - not audible).
So, generally I quite confidently recommend the T1-S though they aren't
quite at the absolute highest end of the spectrum from 100% highest on
the market dry response and grip.
That said, I don't think there's a tire on the market except the S-03 - and
some even disagree here - that will give you the stunnning wet dominance
of the T1-S. Killer rain tire, no question. I have NEVER felt them hydroplane,
and they'll happily stick like glue or drift predictably (your choice depending
on input) in the wet. Four inches of standing water at 50 MPH: imperceptible.
Look at the pricing, and decide.
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10-29-2002, 06:49 AM
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i have run both on my S4, here are my thoughts...
...The Toyo's are lighter, the S03's are wider. Say you run a 225x45x17 on OEM wheels (like me), I'd take the width of the S03 over the lighter weight of the T1S.
In my driving, the S03's seem to "track" more than the T1S' did (following grooves in the road, I believe it's called "tracking"). But both are good.
In terms of noise, I can't say I remember if the T1S' are loud (nothing is louder than my exhaust), but the S03's aren't loud either, so I call this one a wash.
Wear appears to be consistent among the two, given my driving, so another wash there. As well, wet weather driving (though I have limited time with this) seems to be consistent as well.
I would make the decision based on width. The S03 is a wide tire, and that can be good. BUT, if you push it to far on tire size, the extre width of the S03 can be a bother if your offset and ride height aren't spot on (i.e. you will rub your fender/fender liner).
If I was going to a 255x35x18, I'd probably run the Toyo's to buy myself some extra clearance on the fender rubbing. If I stick with 225x45x17's, I'll probably stay with S03's to get the extra width.
If either was on sale, I'd buy that one.
In my driving, the S03's seem to "track" more than the T1S' did (following grooves in the road, I believe it's called "tracking"). But both are good.
In terms of noise, I can't say I remember if the T1S' are loud (nothing is louder than my exhaust), but the S03's aren't loud either, so I call this one a wash.
Wear appears to be consistent among the two, given my driving, so another wash there. As well, wet weather driving (though I have limited time with this) seems to be consistent as well.
I would make the decision based on width. The S03 is a wide tire, and that can be good. BUT, if you push it to far on tire size, the extre width of the S03 can be a bother if your offset and ride height aren't spot on (i.e. you will rub your fender/fender liner).
If I was going to a 255x35x18, I'd probably run the Toyo's to buy myself some extra clearance on the fender rubbing. If I stick with 225x45x17's, I'll probably stay with S03's to get the extra width.
If either was on sale, I'd buy that one.
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