Uwe N

I made a post last week and suggested 225TT can beat any bike off line and to 30mph against stopwatch. This provoked some strong reaction and I think should be pursued with Data. Here is mine.

I do not currently run a bike and I am only talking about 0-30, and agree that most bikes will run rings around most cars when it comes to acceleration if not always under braking and commited high speed cornering. Above 140mph on autobahn it is usually a different case when aeros come into play.

BUT, who wants to step out of their 'bikes are always faster dogma' and post some numbers? I beleive TT 225 is faster than majority (i retract ANY bike bit) Production cars and production bikes out of the box. 0-30

The fastest time for a 225 0-30 that I have seen recorded is 1.9 secs.(Autocar against S3, Skyline, Impreze, Evo iv, 996 C4, Ur Quattro, Integrale, Escort Cosworth. (S3 beat tt on that overall test)

In another recent UK Autocar 0-100-0 test featuring some exotic cars + a Yamaha R1 or R6 (whichever is the big one) driven one of the Emmet brothers (experts on bikes), the Evo vi, Impreza, 996 C4, Lotus Esprit V8(2wd!!!), Nissan Skyline, and JPE Caterham all beat under 2 secs 0-30. The quickest time was of the cars 1.7 secs. The bike was slower than all to 30 at 2 secs; after that forget it with 3.5 secs overall to 60.

Cars techniique: red line in 1st, side step clutch (descibed as like being hit from behind by a truck).

Bike technique; he tried lots - best came from mixture of med revs, slipped clutch and a little wheely. The Guy was completly insane or very brave depending on you view. His skills were higher than most.

I will try and scan and OCR cut paste article in - it was interesting. Fastest 0-30 of day was 1.2 secs for Colin Mcrae in ford works focus and that was faster than Jacques Villeneuves 99 F1 Willaims Bar which agian 'only' managed 2 secs (that was corollary of hard FIA reg tyres) as beyond 30 it smoked everything except the dragster (and that does not count!)

In Performance Bike, a Car/ Bike comparison put the bike (again an R1/6) ahead of car on street circuit. It still failed to beat the Impreza 22B to 30 though.

Get the picture? Good, so come on lets have some inputs. Remember, this is not pissing contest car and bikes. More of a spitting to 30 deal.

Anyone with a 225TT and a bike and some testing gear? (and absolutley NO mechanical sympathy!!)

1.9 secs 0-30 to beat.

Marius B

Thanks, Uwe, very informative posting! I guess we stand corrected! :-)))

Matt

Uwe I managed to beat a CBR RR to 30 (he trashed me afterward) with my "humble" SLK. I guess I can subscribe to your numbers :-)

Also in real life bikers don't expect anyone to beat them from the traffic light....so you can take 'em up to even 50 before they can catch up...

Happy motoring

Joe S

I would gladly take you up on a challenge between the 225tt and my bike. All I have is a Yamaha Vmax, ya know, "just" a cruiser bike. So that should be no problem for you to "win".
No major work done on my bike 'cept a Hindle pipe & stage 1 kit. The bike is making 118 hp at the rear tire. Still not a lot of HP these days but gobs of torque down low. Perfect for stoplight to stoplight races.

JMaTT

BIG DEAL. A human can accelerate from 0-15 (by running) faster than almost any automobile Or motorcycle. I'll bet no one here has EVER beaten a sportbike TWICE. If you beat it once, it's because the rider didn't realize how hard you wanted to race. The physics of power to weight ratio can't be beaten except by the limitations of traction. I'm betting that a 375lb bike with a 150 pound rider (525 lbs total) with 150bhp has enough rubber to shove its 525lb package faster than a TTq's 4 patches of rubber can move it's 6 times as much weight. Again - who cares? It's not a drag racing car - how well can it brake, turn, and accelerate out of the turn?

Marius B

Bikes have CG relatively close to/high over rear wheel contact patch, will rise instead of launch.

Joe S

What are you smoking????

D-TTrain

I have a Shadow Aero and a Vulcan Nomad. Now THOSE are cruisers! I know the industry are trying to call the Magna and the V-Max cruisers, as well as Valkyries, but I disagree. If it don't have a v-twin, it ain't a cruiser IMHO. Of course the V-Max is not a sportbike either, it's more of a standard style-wise. One HELL of a motorcycle!
BTW Ewe, the R1 is the bigger bike, 1000cc's as opposed to the R6 which is a 600cc bike. I find all of this hard to believe, I think any of the current 600cc bikes out there (R6, F4, etc.) would smoke any TT in any real contest of acceleration. Certainly 0-60 anyway.

Gary C

in the absence of any numbers to support your view, common wisdom is of course that bikes are faster than cars, apart from 0 to 30. Your emotional response would have more weight supported by stopwatch. Why don't you dig some numbers out?

I drive a 225 and have surprised a few large bikes from the lights. Of course they acclerate faster overall. Just harmless fun and in the car it is possible in most conditions.

The other points you make about traction out of a turn, braking and cornering; here's my stats: TT225 60-0 2.5 secs (equal quickest of any production car). Bikes? I don't have any but you probably do. I doubt if a bike can stop that quickly, but show me otherwise and I will concede.

Cornering? I don't have any lateral G figures (anyone out there got some?) only the seat of my pants. I am an average driver and middlinng bike rider and can consistently corner faster in a grippy car than I can on a bike.. Unscientific I know, but you get the point..

Another stat: Bike vs car Thruxton circuit (fastest in UK). 1999 Porsche C4 vs 1999 Yamaha YZF. Two race drivers. Result Car 3 secs quicker on a lap. Then there is Max Biaggio and Michael Schumacher at Mugello F1 car vs GP bike. Can you guess who was fastest. F1 I know does not reflect road car.

So I agree with Uwe. Once twice three times to 30 car is quiker than bike. Unless you prove different.

Interesting thread though.

Uwe n

I see you provide no data; it was a harmless data challenge. Obviously this is close to you. My data challange stands. Not that pissing contest referred to.

You make a good point about brakes and cornering and I am interested to see any data you also may have on those areas.

Relax. I am sure you are king of the road of your choice on your bike. NOTHING ON THIS FORUM IS ABIG DEAL.