Juddering / Shuddering vibration differential
02-17-2018, 03:42 AM
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Juddering / Shuddering vibration differential
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Audi TT MK1 3.2 4WD petrol 2003 144,000miles
The traction-control warning light came on, take to a garage, said it was a clock spring / SLIP RING / 1J0959654M
Changed the clock spring / SLIP RING / 1J0959654M, light still on.
A few weeks later there is a Juddering / Shuddering when you pull off, and shuddering/vibration from the back end. Which is Worse when going around corners uphill, at low speed, or on uneven roads, you can power through it and at high speed, it seems ok.
Anyone else had this?
Could it be -
Haldex ECU (limited slip differential control unit)
differential
Haldex valve
Love driving this car, but on a limited budget so any help would be welcome
Thanks
Audi TT MK1 3.2 4WD petrol 2003 144,000miles
The traction-control warning light came on, take to a garage, said it was a clock spring / SLIP RING / 1J0959654M
Changed the clock spring / SLIP RING / 1J0959654M, light still on.
A few weeks later there is a Juddering / Shuddering when you pull off, and shuddering/vibration from the back end. Which is Worse when going around corners uphill, at low speed, or on uneven roads, you can power through it and at high speed, it seems ok.
Anyone else had this?
Could it be -
Haldex ECU (limited slip differential control unit)
differential
Haldex valve
Love driving this car, but on a limited budget so any help would be welcome
Thanks
02-17-2018, 05:58 AM
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Sounds like the rear differential is staying locked.
Have to determine if it is due to a mechanical bind, electrical or pneumatic issue. Standard troubleshooting techniques apply. Follow guided fault finding steps in the service manual. Also see if anything comes up in a VCDS scan. Not a generic scan tool as the fault here would not fall under SAE generic codes.
Have to determine if it is due to a mechanical bind, electrical or pneumatic issue. Standard troubleshooting techniques apply. Follow guided fault finding steps in the service manual. Also see if anything comes up in a VCDS scan. Not a generic scan tool as the fault here would not fall under SAE generic codes.
02-17-2018, 06:56 AM
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My prediction is a failed Haldex controller. It is a fairly common problem. A scan with VCDS should reveal it. If it is worse when turning sharply at low speeds this is consistent with this failure. The Haldex stays engaged when it shouldn’t and since there is no center differential the tires have to slip in order to compensate for the different radius of the front axle and rear axle paths.
02-19-2018, 07:29 AM
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My prediction is a failed Haldex controller. It is a fairly common problem. A scan with VCDS should reveal it. If it is worse when turning sharply at low speeds this is consistent with this failure. The Haldex stays engaged when it shouldn’t and since there is no center differential the tires have to slip in order to compensate for the different radius of the front axle and rear axle paths.
Will it damage the Haldex unit if the controller is a problem and you remove the fuse and drive the car?
And does the VCDS Lite give the information necessary to diagnose this problem?
Thnak you,
02-19-2018, 07:53 AM
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Does anyone know that if you remove the fuse for the haldex and it is a controller problem, will the shuddering stop? (Car stored and easier to ask)
Will it damage the Haldex unit if the controller is a problem and you remove the fuse and drive the car?
And does the VCDS Lite give the information necessary to diagnose this problem?
Thnak you,
Will it damage the Haldex unit if the controller is a problem and you remove the fuse and drive the car?
And does the VCDS Lite give the information necessary to diagnose this problem?
Thnak you,
Good luck. They are not simple cars and they are getting old.
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02-21-2018, 09:34 AM
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same problem
My prediction is a failed Haldex controller. It is a fairly common problem. A scan with VCDS should reveal it. If it is worse when turning sharply at low speeds this is consistent with this failure. The Haldex stays engaged when it shouldn’t and since there is no center differential the tires have to slip in order to compensate for the different radius of the front axle and rear axle paths.
Thank you.
Wednesday,21,February,2018,13:14:57:25580
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.2.0.3 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4411.4
Data version: 20180212 DS287.0
Ross-Tech: Home
VIN: TRUUT28N021010972 License Plate:
Chassis Type: 8N (8N - Audi TT (1999 > 2007))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 76 77
VIN: TRUUT28N021010972
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-032-AMU.lbl
Part No: 8N0 906 018 AN
Component: 1.8L R4/5VT G01 0004
Coding: 06710
Shop #: WSC 08283
VCID: 7DA7045904E7502F19E-513C
TRUUT28N021010972 AUZ5Z0A8100041
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK20-E.clb
Part No: 8N0 907 379 E
Component: ESP 20 CAN V005
Coding: 18446
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 3E25C35549618B37404-4AE0
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8N0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8N0 820 043 A
Component: TT-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D03
Coding: 00140
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 2809050DBBE525871A8-2580
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8N0-959-655.lbl
Part No: 8N0 959 655 A
Component: Airbag Front+Seite 5000
Coding: 01103
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 3E25C35549618B37404-513C
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8Nx-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8N1 920 980
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D02
Coding: 07244
Shop #: WSC 00050
VCID: 73B3226132A3165F7FA-4B00
TRUUT28N021010972 AUZ5Z0A8100041
2 Faults Found:
00849 - S-contact at Ignition/Starter Switch (D)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
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Address 22: AWD Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
Part No: 02D 900 554 C
Component: HALDEX LSC ECC 0009
VCID: 20191D2DD3D5DDC7528-4B00
No fault code found.
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Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8Nx-962-267.lbl
Part No: 8N7 962 267 A
Component: Central Lock/Alarm D06
Coding: 15900
Shop #: WSC 00050
VCID: 3E25C35549618B37404-4EC8
4 Faults Found:
01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch
35-00 - -
01568 - Signal for Convenience Opening
28-00 - Short to Plus
01569 - Signal for Convenience Closing
28-00 - Short to Plus
00956 - Key 2
09-10 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed - Intermittent
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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00010
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 65974C398C77F8EFE1E-513C
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 4B0 035 186 H
Component: concert II NP2 0005
Coding: 00202
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 25170C39CCF738EF21E-4E20
2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
36-00 - Open Circuit
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -
End----(Elapsed Time: 02:33, VBatt start/end: 10.8V/10.9V. VIgn 10.9V)-----
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02-21-2018, 10:20 AM
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I looked in the service records and there is no mention of the HALDEX filter being changed. If there were low pressure, would the VCDS show a fault code? Changing fluid and filter this weekend. Also if there were low pressure, wouldn't that mean the haldex would just not engage?
02-21-2018, 05:57 PM
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broomellw. Sharing what you asked me via private message for others input. You mentioned that you pulled the Haldex fuse and the car will not move and makes a rubbing noise. Since the front wheels are ALWAYS engaged in our cars this told me this.
”bingo! Sounds like you have a FRONT axle stripped. The Haldex Drive is engaging and making the car move. Jack up one side at a time and with the car in gear, try to rotate the front wheel. Neither should be able to turn. The one that does has stripped splines in the half shaft. I’ve seen this reported twice over the years. Last time the leader of the TT East drive on his way home from our event. “
”bingo! Sounds like you have a FRONT axle stripped. The Haldex Drive is engaging and making the car move. Jack up one side at a time and with the car in gear, try to rotate the front wheel. Neither should be able to turn. The one that does has stripped splines in the half shaft. I’ve seen this reported twice over the years. Last time the leader of the TT East drive on his way home from our event. “
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02-22-2018, 02:17 PM
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broomellw. Sharing what you asked me via private message for others input. You mentioned that you pulled the Haldex fuse and the car will not move and makes a rubbing noise. Since the front wheels are ALWAYS engaged in our cars this told me this.
”bingo! Sounds like you have a FRONT axle stripped. The Haldex Drive is engaging and making the car move. Jack up one side at a time and with the car in gear, try to rotate the front wheel. Neither should be able to turn. The one that does has stripped splines in the half shaft. I’ve seen this reported twice over the years. Last time the leader of the TT East drive on his way home from our event. “
”bingo! Sounds like you have a FRONT axle stripped. The Haldex Drive is engaging and making the car move. Jack up one side at a time and with the car in gear, try to rotate the front wheel. Neither should be able to turn. The one that does has stripped splines in the half shaft. I’ve seen this reported twice over the years. Last time the leader of the TT East drive on his way home from our event. “