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Old 02-22-2006, 10:52 AM
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Default I'd like something closer to the Atessa system from the Skyline...

speaking of, I'll have a kidney for sale as soon as the new skyline is released
Old 02-22-2006, 10:57 AM
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Default :) I understand what you are saying. The point I was trying to make is that

the hadlex based cars where faster around the track for other reasons, not for the fact that haldex is better than torsen. Thats why I brought up the analogy of which system is used for racing. BTW, torsen is capable of transfering power to each individual wheel as well as in placing power where you need it so its not that much different from haldex in that regard. Main difference is that torsen responds faster (from my experience) and that is why I believe it to be superior to haldex. Atleast when comparing similar level of systems, as in passenger based cars.
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Default that's cool, I'm with ya...

The torsen isn't responsible for each wheel though. there must be an lsd at each end to do that part. If you haven't driven an '06 STi yet, you should. They have 3 LSDs with driver controlled engaugment for the center differential. Really a blast to drive. Especially on the canyon roads that I was on. but it still couldn't get away from my TT.
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Default Yep, drove the STi :) I'd love to be able to control the the bias and throw more to the rear.Still

TT felt so much better than STi. Granted its a little slower and doesn handle as sharply, but I was still happy to get into it Now, if I was to get an STi and mod it...thats another story.
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Default it doesn't really control front to rear bias, but the amount of "lock" the center will have...

you want less lock for turning fully lock for the AWD power hitting the ground, rally slides, etc. My buddy that has it has never done a track event so he doesn't even begin to know what it's capable of.
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Default haldex has less loss when it's not being used

similar to a fwd car.
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Default all else being equal the haldex is lighter and has less drivetrain loss than Torsen

If it can provide equivalent traction to Torsen then it seems it'd be a better system.
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Default Torsen can not on it's own provide power to each individual wheel

unless it is used as a diff on that axle. Audis that use a Torsen center diff use open diffs at the front and rear axle just like the TT and use the brakes to provide power to individual wheels. Torsen has no advantage in that situation.
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i don't like that audi now offers it in a cabrio
Old 02-22-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default It may also have to do with how Audi packages its...

longitudinal engines vs. its transverse engines. Those longitudinal engines sure reach way forward of the front axle compared to a transverse set-up making the front wheels work harder.

I really like how the allroad sticks to the road. But I admit that the wheelbase of the allroad may play into it.


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