TT could be the leader in its class, but Audi is holding the vehicle down...
10-31-2003, 10:05 AM
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TT could be the leader in its class, but Audi is holding the vehicle down...
Ok, so expensive and crazy tech mods aside we end up with the following mods that really matter for HP: Chip, DV, Intake, FMIC, and exhaust(?). With those installed my car, the vehicle is an entirely new beast that takes out the so called competition without an effort. So... what prevented Audi from tunning the chip a little, give it a bit more airflow, putting a DV that can handle extra boost, and installing more efficient intercooler? I mean the car is handling all this power with ease! I just don't get it. The 'Never Follow' slogan of the company I guess doesn't apply to turbo TT.
10-31-2003, 10:16 AM
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this is sheer quess but I'd bet the number that actually tunes their TT is
around 30%. So Audi want to sell cars at a reasonable price. Plus, isn't it fun to tune your car the way you want to tune and at the same time you can really get to know your car that much more....it becomes more of a personal choice. No "cookie cutter" thing kind of mentality here. Never follow here means "i don't want to own BMW, MB just cuz my neighbor has one....
10-31-2003, 10:22 AM
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Performance is far from the only concern...
The car "seems" to be handling it just fine, but will it last 50000 miles running with extra boost? Will <b>all</b> TTs? How about wear and tear to other components?
Audi doesn't just choose a random number of parts, they choose them to maximize performance while (and here's the important bit) minimizing warranty repair costs with an eye towards making everything last at least 4 years/50K miles.
If an aftermarket boost controller causes your turbo to fry after 25K miles, it's no big deal to the manufacturer. If it causes problems running at 10,000 feet at temperatures below 10 degrees F, it's a software "bug." But these things would be unacceptable to a car manufacturer and thus Audi needs to take them into account...
Audi doesn't just choose a random number of parts, they choose them to maximize performance while (and here's the important bit) minimizing warranty repair costs with an eye towards making everything last at least 4 years/50K miles.
If an aftermarket boost controller causes your turbo to fry after 25K miles, it's no big deal to the manufacturer. If it causes problems running at 10,000 feet at temperatures below 10 degrees F, it's a software "bug." But these things would be unacceptable to a car manufacturer and thus Audi needs to take them into account...
10-31-2003, 10:23 AM
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From factory it would not be expensive upgrades. I agree it's fun to tune your car, but the reviews
are done on all stock cars. So, if the Audi wanted a larger market share I don't know why they don't make minor adjustments that equate to greater HP numbers and bigger sales. But then again, I do like the fact that there aren't that many TTs around... but I also would love for the not modded guys to experience what I do every time I drive my car.
10-31-2003, 10:24 AM
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They don't ALL fail...
With things like FSUs, clusters, etc. it's far cheaper to replace the ones that do fail than to replace them all.
They <b>have</b> changed manufacturers of many components more than once, so when there <b>is</b> an issue they try to address it, but they're not going to change vendors until they see a certain percentage of failures that we just haven't seen here even when it comes to relatively common issues like these.
(For example, I did have a cluster replaced in my 2001 TTQC but never had any window issue and can't at the moment think of <b>any</b> common window regulator issue...)
They <b>have</b> changed manufacturers of many components more than once, so when there <b>is</b> an issue they try to address it, but they're not going to change vendors until they see a certain percentage of failures that we just haven't seen here even when it comes to relatively common issues like these.
(For example, I did have a cluster replaced in my 2001 TTQC but never had any window issue and can't at the moment think of <b>any</b> common window regulator issue...)
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10-31-2003, 10:33 AM
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They did what was asked......
and added the VR6. For over 3 years this is what folks have wanted albeit 300hp. Better brakes, 18" wheels, better suspension and VR6. Some feel shorted without the 6 speed and spare tire but is a logical progression prior to a newer production model altogether. I'm sure the TT market overall was taken into account in this decision. One can still mod the hell out of a 180 or 225 Q.