jwj

With Audi coming in stride with so many new vehicles, I guess I'm still wondering why the company that "Never Follows" doesn't step up to the overall comparison of other mfgs. such as Infiniti, BMW, Acura, Mazda, MB all which have 4 and 6 cylinders offering more bang for the buck.
The 2.0 should be a 2.2 producing 250 HP for this kind of money.
The 3.2 should be producing 285-300 HP to stay competitive with others in the performance category. Don't forget, this engine will be last in comparison performance tests against the 335i, G37, IS350 and some MB and Caddys. If needed, then make it a 3.5L

Now, the 3.0 diesel sounds great. But it also sounds as if it will be very expensive and is taking a long time to get here.
As far as the new S4 3.0 twin turbo.
Better fuel economy then previous V8. Lower weight, higher torque, Vectoring Quattro system leaves for an all around car. Leave stock and it runs great, but just a chip and exhaust could push this to 400 HP that would offer more torque and better performance, (straight line and track times) then the current RS4 which has peak power over 7000 RPM and weights in at almost 4000lbs.

Now, I know some of you love the V8 and that's great. But in the world where fuel prices are going higher and V8 sales are down, (reports from the automotive industry including Audi) a forced induction engine offers better efficiency, torque and an easier, less expensive way to "custom tune" one's car, (plus lower weight).
Personally, if they keep the price at bay, the new S4 could offer the best of all worlds; Performance, tuneability and economy. But for now, the 3.0 TDI seems to be the clear winner.

JoeO

Agreed, I don't buy that the S series is made to compete with 335i, G37, etc...

JoeO

maybe the S4 will compete with the 335i in the future. Because an Audi 330 HP bi-turbo engine would be a better match against BMW's 335i 305 HP engine.

If that is Audi's intention, than I would hope the price of the S4 becomes competive against BMW's 335i.

B7Quattro Pete

the 3.0 tt motor only reinforces the fact that the S4 is meant to be a direct (marketing) competitor to the 335. HELLO?!


btw, I can't imagine that stomping on a 3 liter, twin turbo, 330 hp, awd, 4000 lb car is going to be anything near fuel efficient. not that someone buying this car would really care about a few mpg's difference between this rod and the V8. it's gotta be all about engine type preference here; turbo whoosh (and modability) vs. V8 grunt! hmm, wonder what mpg's a modded 3.0 twin turbo would get? 13?

Bada Bing

I agree wholeheartedly about the 3.2 not being competitive. Hell, the 3-year old Passat 3.6 V6 engine makes more hp and torque than this yet-to-be released A4. This just doesn't sit well with me.

Bada Bing

Unless Audi lowers pricing on the new S4 to align it against the 335i, I would say your argment fails.

The B7 3.2 quattro is barely less expensive than the RWD 335i (I live in SoCal and refuse to compare Audi models against BMW xi models) and I expect the B8 pricing to only go up, so the 265-hp A4 3.2 will compete head on against the 335i as far as pricing goes.

jwj

My 1.8t with no cat, free flow exhaust GT28rs and many other mods producing over 315 HP gets 30 mpg cruising. The average of the V8 is 17 mpg. the average of the 3.0 TT is 20, (per the article).
No reason one can't expand this even higher, (performance and mileage). Just depends on your right foot...

B7Quattro Pete

since you refuse to compare the quattro with the xi then your argument fails. I don't care if you live in SoCal or the moon. If quattro means little more to you then a snow bunny car then you just don't understand, and quite frankly, you should buy something else. If Audi quality means nothing to you, buy something else. If wanting to save a few thou on a $45K+ car (yes, a properly optioned 335xi sedan gets you at least there) and you don't mind being yet another BMW 3-series car in SoCal, go for it. This is what Audi means when it says, "Never follow"; it's not about horsepower p!ssing contests!

No matter what you or anyone else here says, the 335 is not a competitor to the A4 3.2!

B7Quattro Pete

but who mods to 315hp just to putt around on the hwy all day at 2000 rpm's. Even Granny's going to punch it enough to keep it around 20 mpg? Right?

jwj

This is why I am leaning towards the 3.0 diesel, (as I drive a lot for work) and the S4 as fun as this will be, isn't practicle for my personal needs.
Audi does charge a premium for their cars. If a loaded 335i prices at $45k then the S4 could come in at $48-52 loaded and hit their mark. Again, IMO.