possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
#1
possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
my dealer has a <b>2000</b> 2.7T on the lot: tornado red, 6-speed, heated front and rear seats, memory for power driver's seat, sunroof, bose, a few other goodies . . .
1) i remember a recall about the fuel gauges for quattro models to correct inaccurate readings. did this affect 2000s? if it did, have the recall fixes been succesful?
2) any other tid-bits about the 2000 2.7Ts i should keep in mind?
3) how does everyone like the base suspension long term? my initial drive was favorable. not quite as firm as my A4.
msrp on the sticker is $45K. i might just be dreaming but 'm going to talk on monday to see exactly how "aggressive" this guy really wants to be. said he's had this car on the lot for 1.5 years. i do remember seeing it forever. only 500 miles on it.
hmmmm
tks,
vin
1) i remember a recall about the fuel gauges for quattro models to correct inaccurate readings. did this affect 2000s? if it did, have the recall fixes been succesful?
2) any other tid-bits about the 2000 2.7Ts i should keep in mind?
3) how does everyone like the base suspension long term? my initial drive was favorable. not quite as firm as my A4.
msrp on the sticker is $45K. i might just be dreaming but 'm going to talk on monday to see exactly how "aggressive" this guy really wants to be. said he's had this car on the lot for 1.5 years. i do remember seeing it forever. only 500 miles on it.
hmmmm
tks,
vin
#2
Re: possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
Early 2000's were subject to the fuel sending unit recall. The car you spotted sounds old enough to be affected. The recall appears to solve the problem okay.
Tornado Red isn't a very popular color, which probably explains why this car has sat on the lot for so long. If you're interested in this car, you should try for a substantial discount. First, the unpopular color. Second, the 500 miles is marginal for a "new" car. Third, guess what the sales people have been using for a demo? This car has probably seen a lot of full-throttle demo runs without being broken in.
If it were me, I'd go for a 2001. If you like the red 2000 a lot, then get a good price and maybe have the dealer throw in an extended warranty for no extra charge. A "good price" would be something like dealer cost plus $500 or less. (Edmunds.com can show you the dealer cost for this car.)
Incidentally, I loved my 1997 A4 2.8Q--and I love my 2000 A6 2.7t even more! Mine has the standard suspension, which is okay with me. It's definitely a little softer than the A4 with standard suspension, but it still handles very well.
Good luck!
Tornado Red isn't a very popular color, which probably explains why this car has sat on the lot for so long. If you're interested in this car, you should try for a substantial discount. First, the unpopular color. Second, the 500 miles is marginal for a "new" car. Third, guess what the sales people have been using for a demo? This car has probably seen a lot of full-throttle demo runs without being broken in.
If it were me, I'd go for a 2001. If you like the red 2000 a lot, then get a good price and maybe have the dealer throw in an extended warranty for no extra charge. A "good price" would be something like dealer cost plus $500 or less. (Edmunds.com can show you the dealer cost for this car.)
Incidentally, I loved my 1997 A4 2.8Q--and I love my 2000 A6 2.7t even more! Mine has the standard suspension, which is okay with me. It's definitely a little softer than the A4 with standard suspension, but it still handles very well.
Good luck!
#3
Re: possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
I bought my silver (most popular color) 2.7t 6 speed with everything but warm weather and nav. packages about this time last year. The dealer had to locate the car at another dealer because it was in short supply. With little negotiating I was able to get the car for $1800 over invoice. I would think that with the 2001s out for about 6 months now, you should get that car for under invoice.
A few things to keep in mind on 2000s vs 2001 2.7t's. The only recall on the car was the fuel level sensors and not all 2000s were covered by the recall, only the early 2000s. However, there are a number of problems that many of the 2000s had that you might want to look into before you buy just to save some agravation later.
Many of the radios had problems with losing the presets (base, treble, fader, station etc.). The throttle body boot (TBB) on most of the 2000 model year 2.7t was an older design than the present one and they were prone to bursting. Of course your warrentee will cover the repair and they will use the updated part. I had a TBB tear which apparently damaged the turbochargers and a couple of months later my turbos had to be replaced (car was out of service for a couple of weeks).
Finally, the 2001 has a 4 year 50,000 mile warrentee while the 2000 has a 3 year 50,000 mile warrentee. If you put a lot of miles on your car (about 17,000 or more) then the difference in years doesn't matter.
A few things to keep in mind on 2000s vs 2001 2.7t's. The only recall on the car was the fuel level sensors and not all 2000s were covered by the recall, only the early 2000s. However, there are a number of problems that many of the 2000s had that you might want to look into before you buy just to save some agravation later.
Many of the radios had problems with losing the presets (base, treble, fader, station etc.). The throttle body boot (TBB) on most of the 2000 model year 2.7t was an older design than the present one and they were prone to bursting. Of course your warrentee will cover the repair and they will use the updated part. I had a TBB tear which apparently damaged the turbochargers and a couple of months later my turbos had to be replaced (car was out of service for a couple of weeks).
Finally, the 2001 has a 4 year 50,000 mile warrentee while the 2000 has a 3 year 50,000 mile warrentee. If you put a lot of miles on your car (about 17,000 or more) then the difference in years doesn't matter.
#4
You should be able to deal aggressively ...
I just bought a Silver 2000 A6 2.7t. Pretty much what you are looking at except my dealer got a bunch of the leftover 2000 6 speeds. Guess Audi misjudged the demand for six speed. I got mine at invoice. I am sure you should be able to do the same. The 500 miles is something I moght be concerned with. Use it to you advantage and get them to throw in an extended warranty.
Good luck and you will love it.
Good luck and you will love it.
#5
Invoice is WAY TOO MUCH!!!
I wouldn't try to discourage you from this purchase as I think even with 500 miles, I doubt there has been any damage done during this "break-in" period.
BUT: this car is now 1 1/2 years old with 500 miles on it---therefore, I wouldn't pay anything near invoice on this car--probably would accept $2-3k under dealer invoice. Despite its legal definition--THIS IS A USED CAR!!! No different if some old blue hair bought it last year and only drove it 8 miles a week!!! If I tried to sell my 1 1/2 MONTH old '01, I would certainly lose more than the $2500 over invoice I paid (4.2)!
Remember, you could get brand new, exactly the way you want it for ~$1500 over invoice, so a discount of $4-5k seems more appropriate.
Good luck. Awesome car--and you'll be unique with a Tornado red one.
BUT: this car is now 1 1/2 years old with 500 miles on it---therefore, I wouldn't pay anything near invoice on this car--probably would accept $2-3k under dealer invoice. Despite its legal definition--THIS IS A USED CAR!!! No different if some old blue hair bought it last year and only drove it 8 miles a week!!! If I tried to sell my 1 1/2 MONTH old '01, I would certainly lose more than the $2500 over invoice I paid (4.2)!
Remember, you could get brand new, exactly the way you want it for ~$1500 over invoice, so a discount of $4-5k seems more appropriate.
Good luck. Awesome car--and you'll be unique with a Tornado red one.
#6
Re: possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
I would not consider invoice to be a bad deal. Local dealer around here (Pittsburgh) is selling 2 leftover '00 A6 2.8Qs w/ 5 sp manual trannies for invoice, and they have between 1200 and 2400 miles on them. Seeing that the 2.7T is a much more desirable car, invoice sounds about right.
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#8
thanks for the input . . .
a lot of good suggestions. duh - never even thought to ask exactly why it has 500 miles on it (i just assumed a year of "test drives") and technically it should be considered a used car now. i'll post later in the week if i make any headway. i'll check out kelly blue book and edmund's for invoice $$ and "used car" values as well.
if not, it will be another A4 :-) looking to get a fully loaded one before the new models come out.
if not, it will be another A4 :-) looking to get a fully loaded one before the new models come out.
#9
Re: possible 2.7T purchase - recall & a few other questions. . .
I got a 2001 2.7t, tornado red, bose, moonroof, etc. for $40K. MSRP was $43,700 and invoice was $39,300. Figure out dealer invoice and offer $500 above, if they don't bite, go higher if you really want it. I wouldn't go over $1500 though, especially on a 2000.
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#10
Re: thanks for the input . . .
Legally, it actually is "new" until titled to a retail customer. The problem is that it probably WAS used for demo's, etc. My salesperson described prospects doing "donuts" in a parking lot and other hair-raising behavior. No, I wouldn't care to buy a demo. (And maybe I'm old fashioned, check that - just plain old, but there is something very obnoxious to me about abusing beautiful $45K autos, particularly when they belong to someone else.)