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Old May 12, 2022 | 04:47 AM
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One pedal driving is so outdated and lame. I wish the car had the option for those who prefer it. To each their own. But man, listening to one-pedal talk is like listening to that guy who still swears he can get better MPG with a manual transmission, oblivious to all the new tech, multi-speed transmissions, fuel shutoffs, idle stop, etc. People who evangelize about one-pedal driving are today's equivalent. I remember what it took to keep a car in glide mode and it was a constant effort. Thank goodness Audi designed a car that glides on its own.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more! While some drivers (my son-in-law with his model 3) enjoy the one pedal driving, most passengers (my daughter included) dislike it intensely unless the driver is very subtle!

Taking delivery tomorrow of my 2022 e-tron 55 and looking forward to coasting down the highway.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian777
I couldn't agree more! While some drivers (my son-in-law with his model 3) enjoy the one pedal driving, most passengers (my daughter included) dislike it intensely unless the driver is very subtle!

Taking delivery tomorrow of my 2022 e-tron 55 and looking forward to coasting down the highway.
i agree also. The regen paddle shifting is a pleasure to use and easily controllable.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian777
I couldn't agree more! While some drivers (my son-in-law with his model 3) enjoy the one pedal driving, most passengers (my daughter included) dislike it intensely unless the driver is very subtle!.
I actually became quite nauseous while recently riding in the front seat of a friend's model 3. Using the paddles is much better than what I went through that evening.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mtberman
Wow the OP came with some serious disinformation about the e-tron. He's got the tech myth, the inefficiency myth, and the one pedal myth all in one post. Yikes.
Tell me again how the e-tron isn't one of the least efficient EVs on sale today? Only trucks like the Rivian and Hummer have significantly worse MPGe ratings. Also, the tech is objectively behind the times, Audi can't even get a phone app to work well. I get that you old dogs can't learn a new trick and handle one-pedal driving or drivers that you've ridden with suck, whatever. You must have long very straight roads with constant slight downward grade if you're really coasting for any length of time at a steady speed. I just flick the cruise stalk when I don't want to let my foot control the flow of electrons in or out of the motor, the ACC works very well.

Anyway, we bought an e-tron because it's the most cush ride for someone with a bad back, and has very nice materials, fit and finish. Also has a small benefit of not encouraging me to drive in a sporting fashion, because the suspension is so soft in all modes. Great boulevard and highway cruiser, with snow and soft-road capability, as long as the trip is short enough. Looking forward to the upcoming PPE platform, which will hopefully improve this car's shortcomings.

Great tips from those who bothered to try to answer my questions, thanks!

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Old May 12, 2022 | 08:33 PM
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Fallzboater wrote: "You must have long very straight roads with constant slight downward grade if you're really coasting for any length of time at a steady speed."

Actually, this applies to the Tesla, not the Audi. It seems people only drive it in straight-line tests to see how fast it will go. I am in Oregon, also, and I find I Coast a lot! Learning to Coast is as much a challenge as learning to accept One Pedal driving. You will be surprised at how much coasting you can finesse out of a trip. I also love the second paddle setting for local street driving. I won't argue that the E tron is not very efficient, but in my car shopping, I decided an EV with a high quality fit and finish rated much higher then a more efficient EV with a lousy fit and finish. Cabin wind-noise alone would drive me crazy!



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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by fallzboater
Tell me again how the e-tron isn't one of the least efficient EVs on sale today? Only trucks like the Rivian and Hummer have significantly worse MPGe ratings. ... this car's shortcomings. ...Great tips from those who bothered to try to answer my questions, thanks!
I think the OP misses things. No one buys an e-tron for efficiency. We know it does 2.5 or 2.6 mi/kW for most people, which we also know is awful. Sorry about wasting electrons.

The beauty of this forum is that it is NOT a Tesla forum. Comments are rooted in facts learned through ownership, not so much on whatever the internet says about e-trons and who buys them. Most Audi owners bought an Audi because we looked at Tesla products and decided to pass, or because we love and own/owned both Tesla and other cars. It's not a matter of ggod/bad or better/worse, we just did not want to have a Tesla and are not really about them.

RE: One pedal driving? We invented it. It was the only way to effectively regen back in the before times, in the long, long ago when we had not yet figured out how to blend braking and regen. I can still pulse & glide with the best of them but FFS why would you. What a huge pain. I did it for several years and I think I speak for many when I say it's just funny to look back and laugh at one pedaling.

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Old May 15, 2022 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mtberman
No one buys an e-tron for efficiency. We know it does 2.5 or 2.6 mi/kW for most people, which we also know is awful. Sorry about wasting electrons.

The beauty of this forum is that it is NOT a Tesla forum.
I certainly hope nobody bought an e-tron for efficiency, but I think a lot more people would if it was competitive in that department (or at least range). Hopefully the PPE platform will improve that situation. The short range of our e-tron will not affect my daily use (my daily driver has been an e-Golf), but it will continue to be a challenge if I want to make a 500+ mile trip in a day. If I did many of those in a year I would have eliminated the e-tron from consideration. Those of us that actually purchase an EV to reduce our environmental impact (there are other good reasons), should be sorry about wasting electrons or using excessive resources to produce large batteries, and try to choose one of the more efficient options.

The beauty of this forum for many seems to be an opportunity for those that are defensive about their choice to slam Teslas. I loved the 2019 Model S we had for a year and put over 20k miles on it in that time. It had many features I wish Audi would include, and some shortcomings (not reliability, which was perfect). The driving experience was amazing (if you wanted an electric M5, not a Buick). The charging infrastructure is still much better if you need to use it (I almost exclusively charge at home). Buyer satisfaction ratings are extremely high. A Tesla with better fit and finish would be an improvement, and an e-tron with better range, more options for driver control (one-pedal regen or not, independently adjustable suspension damping, steering feel, etc.), and cutting-edge tech would also be an improvement.
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Old May 16, 2022 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fallzboater

Of course Teslas (or any other EV with a one-pedal mode) can also coast, which I define as not moving energy either in or out of the battery. You just control it with the position of your right foot. As an engineer, all this tom-foolery with using the initial brake pedal travel for regen seems ridiculous, the only purpose is to make it feel more like an ICE car. Use one control to command the energy flow to and from the motor, and another control for the friction brakes. This is how it would be done with a clean-slate design. Also note that all of the higher efficiency (mi/kWh) cars do allow one-pedal driving, I can't understand why the German mfgs are against it. After more than 20k miles of driving a Tesla, and more recently a Mach E and EV6 in that mode, I believe it's the more convenient and natural solution. However, moving my foot back and forth in my e-Golf (and soon e-tron) isn't a deal-breaker. My e-Golf does remember the regen setting I've selected during my whole drive, I think it's silly that the e-tron forgets it as soon as I engage the ACC. I can get used to having to double-tap the paddle every time I cancel cruise, though.

Thanks for the discussion!
I don't think that is a good way to define coasting. In fact what one-pedal driving does is the exact opposite of coasting. I am glad the germans are not doing this yet. I would like to keep control of my own braking and I would like to coast when I want to. If we had 1000 mile ranges, one-pedal driving might not be invented.
Btw the debate between proponents and opponents of one-pedal driving cannot be won in any thread. No one is willing to give up their point of view. All it does it prolong, and often derail the thread.
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Old May 16, 2022 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sbt007
I don't think that is a good way to define coasting. In fact what one-pedal driving does is the exact opposite of coasting. I am glad the germans are not doing this yet. I would like to keep control of my own braking and I would like to coast when I want to. If we had 1000 mile ranges, one-pedal driving might not be invented.
Btw the debate between proponents and opponents of one-pedal driving cannot be won in any thread. No one is willing to give up their point of view. All it does it prolong, and often derail the thread.
I love reading both sides. It is the new motor oil argument from my older forums. Change at 3000 miles, 5000 miles or 10000 miles. Not to mention the older natural vs synthetic.
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