Replacing tires?
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I generally don’t rotate tires, they have typically worn quite evenly on my cars (all of them rear-biased quattro). With the etron though, I had to rotate them, due to the front edges chafing. The car is not out of alignment, so it must be the outer blocks not being tough enough for the car’s weight and cornering characteristics. I’m now looking for tires and would like to avoid the goodyears for this reason.
From what I gathered in a few days of research, these are the options I’m contemplating (might help y’all decide and perhaps some of you could throw back some suggestions and opinions):
1. Dedicated summer tires: Michelin pilot sport 4. Half the life expectancy for almost twice the money. Potentially awesome though.
2. Original Goodyear Sport. Known quantity, decent grip (not great), decent sidewall/lateral support (again, not great), edge chafing, surprising aquaplaning at times, seemingly good rolling resistance, tread blocks closer to a summer tire (should, in theory, be better in any weather except for snow).
3. Pirelli Scorpion AS 3. I’ve had 4 sets of the predecessor (Verde AS plus II). Excellent tire. Not the best at anything but good at everything. Much better in the wet than the OEM goodyears, no sidewall chafing. Third gen seems to have some extra thin sipes for ice/snow grip vs gen 2. Gen 2 were more than adequate for me for the once-in-a blue-moon ski trip; I liked them in the snow. Based on how these are shaped and feel, I doubt I’d see much range degradation, if any, vs the OEM goodyears.
Of everything I looked at, these have the highest tread wear warranty. That should correlate with lower rolling resistance.
4. CrossClimate 2. These look like they would be a great PNW tire, somewhat like ExtremeContact DWS. I bet those thick blocks would bring a more vague turn-in and cornering stability/feel and also probably higher rolling resistance (more block deformation). If I had two sets of wheels, I’d probably run these in the winter months (Texas, highly variable temperatures and conditions, with the occasional bout of pipe-bursting global warming).
5. ExtremeContact DWS. Quiet/comfortable, good grip (quite nice in the wet). Soft sidewall. I didn’t like them for that reason but, if you’re not a cornering feel **** like I am, you might enjoy them.
6. Wildcard: Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Performance as measured by TireRack seems to be excellent, confirmed to a good extent by comparisons done by Tyre Reviews (UK-based youtube channel). Doesn’t sound like it would be too darty or handling-oriented but I have found no conclusive comments to that aspect. Some youtube reviews indicate that snow traction is good, other say it’s very poor. ADAC think they’re junk (I tend to not put much faith in german-market reviews as I found them to be quite skewed toward domestic products). The only hard data I found for these comes from TireRack and, based on that, they’re quite good. Also some 20-25% cheaper than others.
Looking forward to everyone’s comments/suggestions. I am myself leaning toward the Pirelli Scorpion AS 3, unless I convince myself to splurge on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4. On the other hand, I would like to try something new, but I dread the eventual disappointment.
Last edited by Tronification; Apr 28, 2022 at 10:02 AM.
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That milage is insane, given the weight of the vehicle and even rating for the tires (I never reach the tire rating before I need to replace). Which tire/wheel size/tire? (Continental 21", Goodyear 20", etc?) Did you rotate regularly? Drive conservatively? Share your secrets, please!
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Sounds like you have the same goodyears I do.
I generally don’t rotate tires, they have typically worn quite evenly on my cars (all of them rear-biased quattro). With the etron though, I had to rotate them, due to the front edges chafing. The car is not out of alignment, so it must be the outer blocks not being tough enough for the car’s weight and cornering characteristics. I’m now looking for tires and would like to avoid the goodyears for this reason.
From what I gathered in a few days of research, these are the options I’m contemplating (might help y’all decide and perhaps some of you could throw back some suggestions and opinions):
1. Dedicated summer tires: Michelin pilot sport 4. Half the life expectancy for almost twice the money. Potentially awesome though.
2. Original Goodyear Sport. Known quantity, decent grip (not great), decent sidewall/lateral support (again, not great), edge chafing, surprising aquaplaning at times, seemingly good rolling resistance, tread blocks closer to a summer tire (should, in theory, be better in any weather except for snow).
3. Pirelli Scorpion AS 3. I’ve had 4 sets of the predecessor (Verde AS plus II). Excellent tire. Not the best at anything but good at everything. Much better in the wet than the OEM goodyears, no sidewall chafing. Third gen seems to have some extra thin sipes for ice/snow grip vs gen 2. Gen 2 were more than adequate for me for the once-in-a blue-moon ski trip; I liked them in the snow. Based on how these are shaped and feel, I doubt I’d see much range degradation, if any, vs the OEM goodyears.
Of everything I looked at, these have the highest tread wear warranty. That should correlate with lower rolling resistance.
4. CrossClimate 2. These look like they would be a great PNW tire, somewhat like ExtremeContact DWS. I bet those thick blocks would bring a more vague turn-in and cornering stability/feel and also probably higher rolling resistance (more block deformation). If I had two sets of wheels, I’d probably run these in the winter months (Texas, highly variable temperatures and conditions, with the occasional bout of pipe-bursting global warming).
5. ExtremeContact DWS. Quiet/comfortable, good grip (quite nice in the wet). Soft sidewall. I didn’t like them for that reason but, if you’re not a cornering feel **** like I am, you might enjoy them.
6. Wildcard: Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Performance as measured by TireRack seems to be excellent, confirmed to a good extent by comparisons done by Tyre Reviews (UK-based youtube channel). Doesn’t sound like it would be too darty or handling-oriented but I have found no conclusive comments to that aspect. Some youtube reviews indicate that snow traction is good, other say it’s very poor. ADAC think they’re junk (I tend to not put much faith in german-market reviews as I found them to be quite skewed toward domestic products). The only hard data I found for these comes from TireRack and, based on that, they’re quite good. Also some 20-25% cheaper than others.
Looking forward to everyone’s comments/suggestions. I am myself leaning toward the Pirelli Scorpion AS 3, unless I convince myself to splurge on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4. On the other hand, I would like to try something new, but I dread the eventual disappointment.
I generally don’t rotate tires, they have typically worn quite evenly on my cars (all of them rear-biased quattro). With the etron though, I had to rotate them, due to the front edges chafing. The car is not out of alignment, so it must be the outer blocks not being tough enough for the car’s weight and cornering characteristics. I’m now looking for tires and would like to avoid the goodyears for this reason.
From what I gathered in a few days of research, these are the options I’m contemplating (might help y’all decide and perhaps some of you could throw back some suggestions and opinions):
1. Dedicated summer tires: Michelin pilot sport 4. Half the life expectancy for almost twice the money. Potentially awesome though.
2. Original Goodyear Sport. Known quantity, decent grip (not great), decent sidewall/lateral support (again, not great), edge chafing, surprising aquaplaning at times, seemingly good rolling resistance, tread blocks closer to a summer tire (should, in theory, be better in any weather except for snow).
3. Pirelli Scorpion AS 3. I’ve had 4 sets of the predecessor (Verde AS plus II). Excellent tire. Not the best at anything but good at everything. Much better in the wet than the OEM goodyears, no sidewall chafing. Third gen seems to have some extra thin sipes for ice/snow grip vs gen 2. Gen 2 were more than adequate for me for the once-in-a blue-moon ski trip; I liked them in the snow. Based on how these are shaped and feel, I doubt I’d see much range degradation, if any, vs the OEM goodyears.
Of everything I looked at, these have the highest tread wear warranty. That should correlate with lower rolling resistance.
4. CrossClimate 2. These look like they would be a great PNW tire, somewhat like ExtremeContact DWS. I bet those thick blocks would bring a more vague turn-in and cornering stability/feel and also probably higher rolling resistance (more block deformation). If I had two sets of wheels, I’d probably run these in the winter months (Texas, highly variable temperatures and conditions, with the occasional bout of pipe-bursting global warming).
5. ExtremeContact DWS. Quiet/comfortable, good grip (quite nice in the wet). Soft sidewall. I didn’t like them for that reason but, if you’re not a cornering feel **** like I am, you might enjoy them.
6. Wildcard: Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Performance as measured by TireRack seems to be excellent, confirmed to a good extent by comparisons done by Tyre Reviews (UK-based youtube channel). Doesn’t sound like it would be too darty or handling-oriented but I have found no conclusive comments to that aspect. Some youtube reviews indicate that snow traction is good, other say it’s very poor. ADAC think they’re junk (I tend to not put much faith in german-market reviews as I found them to be quite skewed toward domestic products). The only hard data I found for these comes from TireRack and, based on that, they’re quite good. Also some 20-25% cheaper than others.
Looking forward to everyone’s comments/suggestions. I am myself leaning toward the Pirelli Scorpion AS 3, unless I convince myself to splurge on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4. On the other hand, I would like to try something new, but I dread the eventual disappointment.
EV Tires: Advancement Achieved Through Testing (hankooktire.com)
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I like to offer suggestions rather than simply muddying the water, but I genuinely have not seen any of these on cars I have noticed at my local Bethesda MD service shop or dealership, but what about dedicated Hankook EV tires (Ventus S1 Evo3). Hankook has even started using the Audi Etron on their promotional materials along with the Taycan.
EV Tires: Advancement Achieved Through Testing (hankooktire.com)
EV Tires: Advancement Achieved Through Testing (hankooktire.com)
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...96&videoID=288
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It's not insane if you drive at constant speed and if you stay off the brakes in city/suburban traffic. Despite the somewhat spirited acceleration, I generally tend to get about 50% more life out of tires than what I see reported, likely because I coast/anticipate more than the average on-power/on-brake driver (old habits formed on underpowered manual euro clunkers). I bet having the auto-regen turned off helps some as well.
The differences were obvious. The Eagles were quieter, had better handling and significantly improved efficiency vs. the 21" Contis even in their worn-out state. They were remarkably grippy and quiet, especially given the wear on them. Moving to the WeatherReady tires, they are softer and smoother riding, and as expected they are great in snow, ice, or anything else. However, I noticed immediately they have worse grip when cornering at moderate and high speed on dry pavement. Bottom line, by moving from Eagles to all weather tires, I lost some at-the-edge grip on dry pavement and gained great adverse weather traction and near-immunity to hydroplaning. It's always a compromise with tires and this was one of the more clear trade-offs I've made when choosing them.
As said above, more tires than ever fit this car and there's not much data out there. I hope this helps clear the some of the mud from the waters about tires on this car.
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Sounds like you have the same goodyears I do.
I generally don’t rotate tires, they have typically worn quite evenly on my cars (all of them rear-biased quattro). With the etron though, I had to rotate them, due to the front edges chafing. The car is not out of alignment, so it must be the outer blocks not being tough enough for the car’s weight and cornering characteristics. I’m now looking for tires and would like to avoid the goodyears for this reason.
From what I gathered in a few days of research, these are the options I’m contemplating (might help y’all decide and perhaps some of you could throw back some suggestions and opinions):
1. Dedicated summer tires: Michelin pilot sport 4. Half the life expectancy for almost twice the money. Potentially awesome though.
2. Original Goodyear Sport. Known quantity, decent grip (not great), decent sidewall/lateral support (again, not great), edge chafing, surprising aquaplaning at times, seemingly good rolling resistance, tread blocks closer to a summer tire (should, in theory, be better in any weather except for snow).
3. Pirelli Scorpion AS 3. I’ve had 4 sets of the predecessor (Verde AS plus II). Excellent tire. Not the best at anything but good at everything. Much better in the wet than the OEM goodyears, no sidewall chafing. Third gen seems to have some extra thin sipes for ice/snow grip vs gen 2. Gen 2 were more than adequate for me for the once-in-a blue-moon ski trip; I liked them in the snow. Based on how these are shaped and feel, I doubt I’d see much range degradation, if any, vs the OEM goodyears.
Of everything I looked at, these have the highest tread wear warranty. That should correlate with lower rolling resistance.
4. CrossClimate 2. These look like they would be a great PNW tire, somewhat like ExtremeContact DWS. I bet those thick blocks would bring a more vague turn-in and cornering stability/feel and also probably higher rolling resistance (more block deformation). If I had two sets of wheels, I’d probably run these in the winter months (Texas, highly variable temperatures and conditions, with the occasional bout of pipe-bursting global warming).
5. ExtremeContact DWS. Quiet/comfortable, good grip (quite nice in the wet). Soft sidewall. I didn’t like them for that reason but, if you’re not a cornering feel **** like I am, you might enjoy them.
6. Wildcard: Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Performance as measured by TireRack seems to be excellent, confirmed to a good extent by comparisons done by Tyre Reviews (UK-based youtube channel). Doesn’t sound like it would be too darty or handling-oriented but I have found no conclusive comments to that aspect. Some youtube reviews indicate that snow traction is good, other say it’s very poor. ADAC think they’re junk (I tend to not put much faith in german-market reviews as I found them to be quite skewed toward domestic products). The only hard data I found for these comes from TireRack and, based on that, they’re quite good. Also some 20-25% cheaper than others.
Looking forward to everyone’s comments/suggestions. I am myself leaning toward the Pirelli Scorpion AS 3, unless I convince myself to splurge on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4. On the other hand, I would like to try something new, but I dread the eventual disappointment.
I generally don’t rotate tires, they have typically worn quite evenly on my cars (all of them rear-biased quattro). With the etron though, I had to rotate them, due to the front edges chafing. The car is not out of alignment, so it must be the outer blocks not being tough enough for the car’s weight and cornering characteristics. I’m now looking for tires and would like to avoid the goodyears for this reason.
From what I gathered in a few days of research, these are the options I’m contemplating (might help y’all decide and perhaps some of you could throw back some suggestions and opinions):
1. Dedicated summer tires: Michelin pilot sport 4. Half the life expectancy for almost twice the money. Potentially awesome though.
2. Original Goodyear Sport. Known quantity, decent grip (not great), decent sidewall/lateral support (again, not great), edge chafing, surprising aquaplaning at times, seemingly good rolling resistance, tread blocks closer to a summer tire (should, in theory, be better in any weather except for snow).
3. Pirelli Scorpion AS 3. I’ve had 4 sets of the predecessor (Verde AS plus II). Excellent tire. Not the best at anything but good at everything. Much better in the wet than the OEM goodyears, no sidewall chafing. Third gen seems to have some extra thin sipes for ice/snow grip vs gen 2. Gen 2 were more than adequate for me for the once-in-a blue-moon ski trip; I liked them in the snow. Based on how these are shaped and feel, I doubt I’d see much range degradation, if any, vs the OEM goodyears.
Of everything I looked at, these have the highest tread wear warranty. That should correlate with lower rolling resistance.
4. CrossClimate 2. These look like they would be a great PNW tire, somewhat like ExtremeContact DWS. I bet those thick blocks would bring a more vague turn-in and cornering stability/feel and also probably higher rolling resistance (more block deformation). If I had two sets of wheels, I’d probably run these in the winter months (Texas, highly variable temperatures and conditions, with the occasional bout of pipe-bursting global warming).
5. ExtremeContact DWS. Quiet/comfortable, good grip (quite nice in the wet). Soft sidewall. I didn’t like them for that reason but, if you’re not a cornering feel **** like I am, you might enjoy them.
6. Wildcard: Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Performance as measured by TireRack seems to be excellent, confirmed to a good extent by comparisons done by Tyre Reviews (UK-based youtube channel). Doesn’t sound like it would be too darty or handling-oriented but I have found no conclusive comments to that aspect. Some youtube reviews indicate that snow traction is good, other say it’s very poor. ADAC think they’re junk (I tend to not put much faith in german-market reviews as I found them to be quite skewed toward domestic products). The only hard data I found for these comes from TireRack and, based on that, they’re quite good. Also some 20-25% cheaper than others.
Looking forward to everyone’s comments/suggestions. I am myself leaning toward the Pirelli Scorpion AS 3, unless I convince myself to splurge on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4. On the other hand, I would like to try something new, but I dread the eventual disappointment.
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Just bought the Michi PS AS4's for my 2019 Q5 with 20's from Costco (not installed yet). The Q came with LTX's and I liked them. Hoping the new Michi's will not be to loud with the stiffer sidewalls etc.
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I may have rethought my thinking of going with the Michelin. I saw a review from a guy who tried them on his ICE SUV and he found that he lost about 2 MPG with the Michelin. I don't think I want to give up range for the possibility of more tread life, especially when my second set of tires will more than carry me to trade-in time. I will keep you posted, as I am waiting for my dealer to find out from Audi if they will give me an adjustment on the poor mileage I've gotten out of the original set.
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Originally Posted by FlatsCatFL;[url=tel:25706273
25706273[/url]]Just bought the Michi PS AS4's for my 2019 Q5 with 20's from Costco (not installed yet). The Q came with LTX's and I liked them. Hoping the new Michi's will not be to loud with the stiffer sidewalls etc.