EPA Update: 2016 Q5 TDI affected
11-02-2015, 11:12 AM
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Looking at the bright side: Given the 3.0 TDI's urea injection system already in place, VW should have a much easier time with a software fix that trades off more urea for lower NOx w/o hitting performance or MPG. Not that having to refill the urea twice as often isn't an inconvenience...
11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
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We'll see I guess. I'm speculating, and reading between the lines a lot.
11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
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I'm frankly shocked that, if this is true, Volkswagen did not disclose it before. They already have a massive PR problem from the non-urea engines, they know they have a target on their back, they know that government agencies will inspect all VW diesel models with a fine tooth comb, so why not voluntarily disclose the full line up of cars that used the cheat software before getting caught red handed again? They must have known it was only a matter of time. So why no damage control? If our (mine -- ugh) TDI's are using cheat software, how could they not know it?
Even if you think VW is evil, this makes no sense from a self-preservation point of view.
Even if you think VW is evil, this makes no sense from a self-preservation point of view.
11-02-2015, 11:28 AM
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In many large companies it's quite common to "filter" information reported to upper management. I'm not trying to defend VW, but these things do happen, and there is a chance top management didn't actually know.
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11-02-2015, 11:48 AM
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I am somewhat unsurprised but was hoping the 3.0 TDI engines would, since the exhaust is urea injected, be within limits. Don't know about the rest of you owners, but I am MORE than disappointed at this news. It's going to cost VW/Audi/Porsche plenty, not only in dollars but in customer loyalty. If VAG doesn't treat this loyal customer well on this one, I'm likely looking elsewhere for my next vehicle. Going to be a hard replacement and a hard decision because absolutely nothing out there currently gets my blood pumping.
I was thinking of trading for a new A4 or even a new Allroad if it struck me in the right spot. Lexus? Looks like a transformer of some sort. The BMW's look strange to me as well. Did not like my previous Mercedes Benz experience.
Dang their germanic hides.
11-02-2015, 11:49 AM
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Well, that does it. I've bought four TDIs, but that's it-- I'm never buying another VW/Audi/Porsche product again. I don't know which is worse-- the dishonesty or stupidity-- but I do know I'll never trust that corporation again.
11-02-2015, 11:50 AM
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Maybe I did not read enough of the posts/press releases but I did not see if the 2016 Q5 TDI is "off the market" at this point...like the 4 cylinder TDI?
Also, did I see correctly that the 2015 Q5 is not included?
What about Q7 TDIs?
Not good...TomMartin
Also, did I see correctly that the 2015 Q5 is not included?
What about Q7 TDIs?
Not good...TomMartin
11-02-2015, 11:51 AM
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I hear you, but even if higher ups didn't know about the cheat software before the scandal, they certainly knew AFTER the scandal broke, and had every incentive in the world to conduct an intense internal investigation to determine which models -- across their entire line up -- shipped with the cheat software. At the very least their lawyers would push them to be ruthlessly aggressive about confirming 100% what did and what did not use the cheat software. They've had months to figure that out. They've said nothing, albeit offering mea culpas on the non urea models. If they found cheat software during their internal investigation on urea-treated TDIs, what possible incentive would they have to withhold it, knowing full well that the rest of the world was sure to be looking for it and find it if it was there? How does that end well with them? I'm just perplexed.
11-02-2015, 12:01 PM
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I hear you, but even if higher ups didn't know about the cheat software before the scandal, they certainly knew AFTER the scandal broke, and had every incentive in the world to conduct an intense internal investigation to determine which models -- across their entire line up -- shipped with the cheat software. At the very least their lawyers would push them to be ruthlessly aggressive about confirming 100% what did and what did not use the cheat software. They've had months to figure that out. They've said nothing, albeit offering mea culpas on the non urea models. If they found cheat software during their internal investigation on urea-treated TDIs, what possible incentive would they have to withhold it, knowing full well that the rest of the world was sure to be looking for it and find it if it was there? How does that end well with them? I'm just perplexed.
I'm trying to be objective here (since my interests obviously might be affected as I'm one of "almost-VM-customers" - see my sig), and looking back at major screw-ups there will be some settlement with governments, but at the end of the day we, the common people, will have to pick up the tab one way or another.
