2013 Audi RS4 could be coming to U.S.
11-13-2011, 02:02 PM
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You're horribly misinformed. The RS4 handles just fine thanks riegerman. Faster around most tracks than the B8, sport diff or not. Get to know fastest laps. The RS4 was the fastest sedan in the world ever around the nurburgring (7:58) before the Panamera Turbo came along.
As for a JHM tune, it's $600...and there are no 'new' B7 RS4s so what are you talking about? The car hasn't been produced since 2008.
used 2007 RS4 = about 38,000
JHM tune = $600
JHM 2.75" exhaust = $2500
JHM clutch/flywheel = $1700
Total = $42,800 and it ran 12.28 @ 112
used 2010 B8 S4 DSG = about $45,000
APR tune = $1500
APR pulley+stageII = ? $500
Milltek catback = $1800?
034 HFC = ?$500
LW Wheels = $1000
Total = $50,800 and it ran 12.39 @ 111
Want more? How about a $9,000 JHM supercharger kit for the RS4 to make over 500 whp? Now the pricing is equal, but the B8 is still running mid to low 12s, while the RS4 is in another world.
Add it all up, and that = your entire argument lying on the floor in a crumpled heap. If you want to ****-talk a platform, make sure there's nothing but guys who don't know the platform listening.
As for a JHM tune, it's $600...and there are no 'new' B7 RS4s so what are you talking about? The car hasn't been produced since 2008.
used 2007 RS4 = about 38,000
JHM tune = $600
JHM 2.75" exhaust = $2500
JHM clutch/flywheel = $1700
Total = $42,800 and it ran 12.28 @ 112
used 2010 B8 S4 DSG = about $45,000
APR tune = $1500
APR pulley+stageII = ? $500
Milltek catback = $1800?
034 HFC = ?$500
LW Wheels = $1000
Total = $50,800 and it ran 12.39 @ 111
Want more? How about a $9,000 JHM supercharger kit for the RS4 to make over 500 whp? Now the pricing is equal, but the B8 is still running mid to low 12s, while the RS4 is in another world.
Add it all up, and that = your entire argument lying on the floor in a crumpled heap. If you want to ****-talk a platform, make sure there's nothing but guys who don't know the platform listening.
11-14-2011, 06:09 AM
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With that said, we have two official cars that have posted times with a TVS1320
one ran 12.0 @ 117 and 12.1 @ 119
the other ran 11.83 @ 116-117 (more on this later)
both on pump gas and stock exhaust. The 11.83 car took the back seat out (Keith from APR) which saved 70-80 lbs. Pretty silly.
These are TVS1320 cars...but the supercharger that will see the RS4 really take off is the Vortech centrifugal unit that JHM uses. That's going to be exciting. The RS4 has forged internals and can handle a ton more power than the B6/7 S4. JHM's blower on the S4 was limited to like 425 whp (and two cars ran 11.9 on pump gas with that setup). On the RS4 though, 500 whp appears to be the goal.
As I said above, the 11.83 time...don't you think it's eerily similar to the time kevkev claimed to run? I wouldn't be surprised if he and auditude cooked that time up to be just slightly faster than the fastest B6/7 S4/RS4.
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11-14-2011, 06:55 AM
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the RS4 is so rare that there aren't many supercharged, let alone ones that ran the quarter.
With that said, we have two official cars that have posted times with a TVS1320
one ran 12.0 @ 117 and 12.1 @ 119
the other ran 11.83 @ 116-117 (more on this later)
both on pump gas and stock exhaust. The 11.83 car took the back seat out (Keith from APR) which saved 70-80 lbs. Pretty silly.
These are TVS1320 cars...but the supercharger that will see the RS4 really take off is the Vortech centrifugal unit that JHM uses. That's going to be exciting. The RS4 has forged internals and can handle a ton more power than the B6/7 S4. JHM's blower on the S4 was limited to like 425 whp (and two cars ran 11.9 on pump gas with that setup). On the RS4 though, 500 whp appears to be the goal.
As I said above, the 11.83 time...don't you think it's eerily similar to the time kevkev claimed to run? I wouldn't be surprised if he and auditude cooked that time up to be just slightly faster than the fastest B6/7 S4/RS4.
With that said, we have two official cars that have posted times with a TVS1320
one ran 12.0 @ 117 and 12.1 @ 119
the other ran 11.83 @ 116-117 (more on this later)
both on pump gas and stock exhaust. The 11.83 car took the back seat out (Keith from APR) which saved 70-80 lbs. Pretty silly.
These are TVS1320 cars...but the supercharger that will see the RS4 really take off is the Vortech centrifugal unit that JHM uses. That's going to be exciting. The RS4 has forged internals and can handle a ton more power than the B6/7 S4. JHM's blower on the S4 was limited to like 425 whp (and two cars ran 11.9 on pump gas with that setup). On the RS4 though, 500 whp appears to be the goal.
As I said above, the 11.83 time...don't you think it's eerily similar to the time kevkev claimed to run? I wouldn't be surprised if he and auditude cooked that time up to be just slightly faster than the fastest B6/7 S4/RS4.
11-14-2011, 06:55 AM
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the RS4 is so rare that there aren't many supercharged, let alone ones that ran the quarter.
With that said, we have two official cars that have posted times with a TVS1320
one ran 12.0 @ 117 and 12.1 @ 119
the other ran 11.83 @ 116-117 (more on this later)
both on pump gas and stock exhaust. The 11.83 car took the back seat out (Keith from APR) which saved 70-80 lbs. Pretty silly.
These are TVS1320 cars...but the supercharger that will see the RS4 really take off is the Vortech centrifugal unit that JHM uses. That's going to be exciting. The RS4 has forged internals and can handle a ton more power than the B6/7 S4. JHM's blower on the S4 was limited to like 425 whp (and two cars ran 11.9 on pump gas with that setup). On the RS4 though, 500 whp appears to be the goal.
As I said above, the 11.83 time...don't you think it's eerily similar to the time kevkev claimed to run? I wouldn't be surprised if he and auditude cooked that time up to be just slightly faster than the fastest B6/7 S4/RS4.
With that said, we have two official cars that have posted times with a TVS1320
one ran 12.0 @ 117 and 12.1 @ 119
the other ran 11.83 @ 116-117 (more on this later)
both on pump gas and stock exhaust. The 11.83 car took the back seat out (Keith from APR) which saved 70-80 lbs. Pretty silly.
These are TVS1320 cars...but the supercharger that will see the RS4 really take off is the Vortech centrifugal unit that JHM uses. That's going to be exciting. The RS4 has forged internals and can handle a ton more power than the B6/7 S4. JHM's blower on the S4 was limited to like 425 whp (and two cars ran 11.9 on pump gas with that setup). On the RS4 though, 500 whp appears to be the goal.
As I said above, the 11.83 time...don't you think it's eerily similar to the time kevkev claimed to run? I wouldn't be surprised if he and auditude cooked that time up to be just slightly faster than the fastest B6/7 S4/RS4.
11-14-2011, 08:27 AM
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I'd doubt it seriously, there isn't really anything with adding a SC that would help here. The only real fixes are going to be a way to spray the back of the intakes, or making damn sure the vast majority of the garbage is pulled from the recirc system (ala catch can or similar).
11-14-2011, 08:58 AM
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that JHM is in fact developing a solution for the carbon build-up. I believe it's in beta testing right now. Though Sak would probably be the one to respond here.
11-14-2011, 12:32 PM
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used 2007 RS4 = about 38,000
JHM tune = $600
JHM 2.75" exhaust = $2500
JHM clutch/flywheel = $1700
Total = $42,800 and it ran 12.28 @ 112
used 2010 B8 S4 DSG = about $45,000
APR tune = $1500
APR pulley+stageII = ? $500
Milltek catback = $1800?
034 HFC = ?$500
LW Wheels = $1000
Total = $50,800 and it ran 12.39 @ 111
JHM tune = $600
JHM 2.75" exhaust = $2500
JHM clutch/flywheel = $1700
Total = $42,800 and it ran 12.28 @ 112
used 2010 B8 S4 DSG = about $45,000
APR tune = $1500
APR pulley+stageII = ? $500
Milltek catback = $1800?
034 HFC = ?$500
LW Wheels = $1000
Total = $50,800 and it ran 12.39 @ 111
In terms of lap times at most tracks, the stock S4 is a match or even slightly ahead of the RS4. The N'ring time of 7:58 is a heavily disputed and unofficial testing time with AUDI DTM race driver Frank Stippler at the wheel on race tires.
If you want to ****-talk track times, make sure there's nothing but guys who don't know about being on a track listening
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11-15-2011, 07:29 AM
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1. Did you REALLY just compare a car that has depreciated for 5 years and is no longer available versus 2 years and in its current form?
2. In terms of lap times at most tracks, the stock S4 is a match or even slightly ahead of the RS4. The N'ring time of 7:58 is a heavily disputed and unofficial testing time with AUDI DTM race driver Frank Stippler at the wheel on race tires.
3. If you want to ****-talk track times, make sure there's nothing but guys who don't know about being on a track listening
1. Yes I did. I compared the fastest pump gas B8 S4 and the fastest pump gas all motor RS4...because I watched both guys run. I used the 'values' of their cars because...that's what their cars are worth! Why would you talk about the cost to do X TODAY then use the price from 5 years ago? I used a high price for the RS4 (his could be had for $25,000...it has 140,000 miles on it now) and the lowest price I've seen for a 2010 B8 S4 (having just looked at both cars 2 months ago when buying one of them). If you were talking about buying a townhouse in manhattan vs. living in connecticut, would you use 1920s manhattan pricing vs. 2011 connecticut pricing? I don't think you would.
2. The 7:58 time was on factory tires (sport option) but even if you chuck that time, I guess you didn't get the memo that SportAuto ran a B7 RS4 in 8:09 in more traditional 'street' trim, still faster than ANY PRODUCTION SEDAN AVAILABLE ON EARTH* at the time. To this day only the CTS-V and the Panamera Turbo has beaten the time.
*a limited production, race spec, Japan only Subaru was slightly faster...that's it.
Further, ALL of the nurburgring lap times are with factory race drivers. i.e. it's not like the CTS-V time is from joe blow on vacation. It was a GM race driver with a rollcage in the car.
3. I prefer facts rather than guessing. Let's have a look shall we? Fastestlaps has 3 road courses with times for each of the B8 S4 and the B7 RS4. RS4 was faster on two, S4 was faster on 1.
Track RS4 S4
Hockenheim Short 1:15.40 1:16.70
Virginia International Raceway 3:11.20 3:10.80
Autozeitung test track 1:41.30 1:41.80
The two tracks where the RS4 was faster it was decidedly so at 1.3 seconds on Hockenheim and 0.50 seconds at the Autozeitung test track. The lap the S4 was faster on was 0.4 seconds faster (after over 4 miles of VIR). It should be noted the two german tests used the same driver. The US magazine test at VIR...didn't. Car and Driver has a whole flock of drivers. The year the S4 ran, they used 4 different drivers for the lightning lap.
So thanks for posting. Always fun to help educate a rowdy Audi owner about the other Audi platforms they ****-talk, but know SFA about.
Last edited by sakimano; 11-15-2011 at 07:35 AM.