Reliability of Triptronic vs Reliability of Manual
06-04-2009, 11:37 AM
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/Austrian - native German speaker. NO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FVCKING KANGAROOS!
06-04-2009, 11:40 AM
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It would be very cost pohibative to go down the road you noted above.
Decide what you want from a car first - this will enable you to make the right choice of which car to buy for your needs (mabye not an S4).
Tiptronics are a lot of fun (over the years I have suprised many cars and one sport bike that should have been a lot faster and walked me, but they didn't - Corvette, AMG Benz, several M3's, Firebird, etc). Oh, and they can certainly be sporty.
Also remember, this is a street car. If you are buying a car for track duty, or street & track then you are honestly better off chosing another platform completely.
I have a Stg 3- with 3" DP's, Ohlins Suspension, AWE SMIC's and fully built Transmission (tiptronic) and on a continually twisty road I can more than hold my own agasint an idnentically setup S4 6spd.
However many maintenance shops and tuners won't mess with Tips because they get a greater return for their effort w/the 6spds and hey, everyone likes easy money; and, becaue very few people today are willing to work hard. JMO
Decide what you want from a car first - this will enable you to make the right choice of which car to buy for your needs (mabye not an S4).
Tiptronics are a lot of fun (over the years I have suprised many cars and one sport bike that should have been a lot faster and walked me, but they didn't - Corvette, AMG Benz, several M3's, Firebird, etc). Oh, and they can certainly be sporty.
Also remember, this is a street car. If you are buying a car for track duty, or street & track then you are honestly better off chosing another platform completely.
I have a Stg 3- with 3" DP's, Ohlins Suspension, AWE SMIC's and fully built Transmission (tiptronic) and on a continually twisty road I can more than hold my own agasint an idnentically setup S4 6spd.
However many maintenance shops and tuners won't mess with Tips because they get a greater return for their effort w/the 6spds and hey, everyone likes easy money; and, becaue very few people today are willing to work hard. JMO
Thank you for your balanced and informative reply. As you pointed out, there are other options too. I am mainly looking for a street car that can go to the occasional SCCA event. Perhaps the Trip fits this role..
06-04-2009, 02:49 PM
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It surley can. I will say that the tip is not terrible. And with some minor tweeks it can be much better, 300 or 400 for the TCU/TCU chipped is a good start. Recodding it to a old shift method helps alot too. Getting it built helps even more.
I will saw that the MB SL55AMG's tip makes ours look like total ****. Complete and utter ****. But than again i think that car was $120k+ so it better have been.
I will saw that the MB SL55AMG's tip makes ours look like total ****. Complete and utter ****. But than again i think that car was $120k+ so it better have been.
06-07-2009, 01:26 PM
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You're pretty much guaranteed problems with an Auto or Manual eventually. Figure 4K+ to rebuild and upgrade a tip of half that to rebuild and upgrade a 6 speed.
Both transmissions can handle quite a bit of power once upgraded.
The tips have a torque converter issues as well as internal drum issues, all of which were addressed with upgraded parts.
The manuals have issues with the 1-2 shift collar/hub that has been addressed with upgraded parts from the factory and the clutch is a maintenance item that will ultimately need to be replaced as it hits it's wear limit.
Both transmissions can handle quite a bit of power once upgraded.
The tips have a torque converter issues as well as internal drum issues, all of which were addressed with upgraded parts.
The manuals have issues with the 1-2 shift collar/hub that has been addressed with upgraded parts from the factory and the clutch is a maintenance item that will ultimately need to be replaced as it hits it's wear limit.
06-07-2009, 04:11 PM
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We have many Tip projects
most stg3 and stg3+ with near 460HP with our trans upgrades. One of our customers has 220k miles and the work was done around 140k miles.It runs great and pretty fast for a TIP (3.8FATS)
For high power,race you really just need manual to stay reliable.
For high power,race you really just need manual to stay reliable.
06-07-2009, 04:26 PM
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So, full RS6s and GTs produce too much torque for for a fully built Tip, correct? I figure with every thing being pulled for a build it would be "easy enough" to do a 6pd conversion. (I have other motivation to do a swap anyway, I need a new drive shaft and figure that could have damaged the diffs anyway, 6pd would fix these issues and still cost less than building a tip. Plus every time I drive a manual I wish mine was for everthing besides bad rushour traffic)
06-08-2009, 04:38 PM
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So, that is a yes? Haha, I keep reading that as thanks to Simpply running 40psi its no longer possible.
I really want a 6pd as the tip is just soooo 5 yrs ago (when I bought this car) And it would be nice not to have to spend all the money and time doing a 6pd conversion and buying all the upgraded clutch components, and then still probabaly destrying 1-2nd. Granted a built tip is still around 4-5k last time I read of anyone doing it, which was ages ago.
I really want a 6pd as the tip is just soooo 5 yrs ago (when I bought this car) And it would be nice not to have to spend all the money and time doing a 6pd conversion and buying all the upgraded clutch components, and then still probabaly destrying 1-2nd. Granted a built tip is still around 4-5k last time I read of anyone doing it, which was ages ago.
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06-08-2009, 07:50 PM
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[QUOTE=complacentsee;23801722]So, that is a yes? Haha, I keep reading that as thanks to Simpply running 40psi its no longer possible.
Not a yes and not sarcasm; a genuine thanks for making the performance effort with the TIP cars.
Not a yes and not sarcasm; a genuine thanks for making the performance effort with the TIP cars.